#soon! Part Un - The 60s-00s Girl Band Debut Breakthrough Rate


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I still say Sound of the Underground was a 'moment' and perhaps my love for it is less about the track in its entirety but the shock value of this coming from a manufactured TV girl group. Also how cool and different it felt at the time.

I actually love it still to this day but I can appreciate that unless you were in that 'bubble' of watching the show each week and finally hearing/seeing this when it came out it may not have the same kind of impact as Overload did, for example.
I still say Sound of the Underground was a 'moment' and perhaps my love for it is less about the track in its entirety but the shock value of this coming from a manufactured TV girl group. Also how cool and different it felt at the time.

I actually love it still to this day but I can appreciate that unless you were in that 'bubble' of watching the show each week and finally hearing/seeing this when it came out it may not have the same kind of impact as Overload did, for example.
I wasn't in the bubble and I was enthralled in the whole situation. I was so impressd by these girls and excited for them to show what else Girls Aloud had.
They debuted in such a way that you have an artist to stick with throughout thier career.
Oh, and what a perfect time to remind everyone of this rate's biggest victory:

I'm mightily impressed by the sheer wilyness of this project. See, a few years ago an enthusiastic newbie got all excited about POPjustice and how much fun it might be to rate a bunch of sixties debut singles together - you know, complete with The Ronettes, The Marvelettes, The Crystals, Cilla Black, Sonny & Cher, etc - i.e. songs with a higher quality average of any PJ rate ever... but only two people enrolled (including the host), as PJ'ers just weren't interested in discovering any songs from "before their time".

But now, you're practically forcing everybody to check out the old stuff too, as they have an inbuilt need to defend the honor of Spice Girls and Pussycat Dolls and whatnot... I applaud you crafty lil devils!

PS. That time, the winner was Be My Baby, with an average score of 9.95, I believe...

The Ronettes' track is one of those so overplayed through the years that I now find it more than a little aggravating, and 'Overload' just doesn't do much for me.

As with all things PJ rate orientated, my faves are long gone but more memorable to me. I can never pick a winner.

Well, with the exception in the Depeche singles rate, but even that had it's surprises!
Runner-Up Time!!!

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Limbo goddesses


00s Gold Medallist / Girl Band Début Silver
Sugababes – Overload

Average Score: 9.000
Highest Score: 11 x 5 (@Riiiiiiiii, @Filippa, @Ironheade, @Untouchable Ace, @ohnostalgia) 10 x 15 (@Zar-Unity, @kermit_the_frog, @berserkboi, @Russron, @Conan, @londonrain, @Baby Clyde, @DominoDancing, @2014, @tylerc904, @Mvnl, @Remorque, @soratami, @ufint, @unnameable)
Lowest Score: 4 x 1 (@MollieSwift21 ???) 5 x 1 (@iheartpoptarts)​

Well, I was sitting here not sure how to even start this write-up. What can I possibly say about Overload that wasn’t masterfully expressed by @beyoncésweave at its elimination during the Sugababes Discography Rate? Maybe let’s go with its performance in this rate first! Overload was, during the entirety of the rate always in the top 2. Whether they were runner up to Baccara, Spice Girls, Girls Aloud or The Ronettes, Sugababes were always also at 9-ish average. I definitely call that PopJustice!

Truth time - the reason I even wanted to run this rate was due to Overload’s abysmal 9th place finish in the Sugababes Discography rate. So if you have enjoyed this Girl Band Debut rate, you can thank the Sugababes’ discography rate for bringing it to my mind, if you didn’t – well you can also blame it for that! I just wanted my adored Sugababes’ début to win something and before I worked with @londonrain on the song list, I did not even consider they’d have any competition! Then I realised Spice Girls, Bangles, Salt-N-Pepa were here and I started feeling less and less easy about a landslide win. The Sugababes held their own incredibly well and if they had to fall, I am glad they fell to a stellar 60s track!

Let’s talk Overload for a bit. It was my 11 going into the rate and I was due to give it to Overload for much of the voting period as I absolutely adore the track and wanted it to do well. However the incredibly tasteful voters ensured it was doing amazingly so a few days before closing, I bestowed it upon The Shirelles as my connection to Will You Love Me Tomorrow had even more nostalgia tied to it, and it more than needed my help after @saviodxl tried to kill it with fire (that 2!!).

Everything about Overload is so uniquely put together, with inspiration from so many genres and combining so many different instruments that don’t even come close to sounding like they belong together (electric guitar, horns, bass, keyboard, drum, bass –what???) and yet it just works like no other clash I have ever experienced in my life. The glue is of course our three amazingly talented girls in the middle of the whole thing – Siobhan Donaghy, Mutya Buena and Keisha Buchanan! The girls don’t only sound so individual, fantastic, emotive and effortless cool – they also even contribute in writing the iconic lyrics to the track.

Despite the countless amazing tracks they would produce after Overload – I am not even sure I can say this particular line-up (or any other) ever surpassed it. Sure, I may have other favourites but everything to do with Overload is so fresh and timeless even 18 years after its release – it is simply put, a masterpiece! The critics seem to agree too as it is easily the most decorated song in their entire discography – ‘disarmingly sophisticated’ ‘brilliant hit with unexpected class’ ‘hauntingly infectious’ were just some of the sound bites thrown around at its time of release and it was also included on many best of lists, including a #493 finish in NME’s 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time and Pitchfork placing it at #432 of the top 500 Tracks of The Decade among many others.

Our lovely ladies were also only around 15 years old during their first album’s era and showed they truly were ‘older than their years’ numerous time on the stellar One Touch album. Following that début, Siobhan unfortunately departed the band, but more commercial success came the way of the band when Heidi Range joined Mutya and Keisha beginning their imperial phase with Freak Like Me. A mainstay of the UK Charts from then on til more line-up drama emerged, eventually leading to none of the original members in the band - this has put the act on some sort of bizarre hiatus across the originals trying to reclaim the name and the most current line-up not being properly active, leaving a huge question mark on what the future may bring (at this stage, nothing is probably the safest bet). Of course, this paragraph says nothing of the full story – so please check out the numerous threads around the forum about Sugababes when you have a spare second (or few weeks). A bit more in Part 2?

PopJustice – what are you all thinking about this one?

Zar–Unity (10) has this full score almost make the top spot! - Awesome debut single by one of the most talented pop groups ever! Tech: 5 Taste: 5 = 10 points. Kermit_The_Frog (10) may be as heartbroken as I was if he looks into that discography rate - One of the rare cases where an act’s debut is possibly their finest moment. What a song. Best line-up, best song. ComeOnGloria (7) has a lot of things to say about the line-ups, though maybe now being familiar with Three Degrees he may not? - Ah, Sugababes... More regenerations than Dr Who. I liked their later stuff better. Never thought this song was a particularly easy listen

Saviodxl (7) would probably have preferred my inclusion of Flatline? - Heart MKS! Spillett (9.5) is still impressed with Overload - (classy. still sounds fresh today.) Trouble In Paradise (8) appreciates this too! - There’s such a nice flow to this song. It keeps moving forward without the sugar rush feel of other songs in this rate. The production has some nice touches, like the off kilter piano line underneath the bridge. Empty Shoebox (6) is not making many friends towards the pointy end, hey? - I'm not entirely sure what's going on with the production, but that 'one way ticket to a madman situation' line sounds really off. Credit to the girls for writing it themselves at a young age, but I'm not in love with the arrangement, and there's a few too many repeats of the chorus for me. Sorry.

DominoDancing (10) agrees with timeless - Even 18 years after its release, this song still sounds absolutely unique. It's mysterious and catchy and wonderfully produced. Iheartpoptarts (5) is ‘Hey Look! A villain!!' - I remember way back in the day when they were that girl group on the Hit List with the weird train song. Ufint (10) tells the age old tale of things aging like wine- I absolutely loathed this when it came out and could not for the life of me fathom why everyone around me was living while I was dying. After their magnum opus “Angels With Dirty Faces” I decided to revisit their first album and absolutely fell in love.

Unnameable (10) has a favourite line-up it seems! – The babes v 1.0 were awesome, thought not quite as poptastic as 2.0. Siobhan’s contribution to pop music will live forever as long as this song is remembered. DJHazey (7) calls in Cat Power for back-up! - Yeah so we all saw what mine (and @Mina's) average was for their debut. Yes, this is one of the better tracks on the album but as you can see I still don't understand the hype.

Riiiiiiiii (11) starts off the 11 parade with a gorgeous personal story - I have such a strong connection to this song. I remember dressing up as a little Sugababe when I was a 12 year old gay boy, and reenact the video in my room (all dressed up). Just lip-syncing to imaginary camera’s pretending I was standing on a rotating platform. Way back then the song made a big impact on me and it never lost that. And although they released plenty other amazing song after that, Overload always stayed my favorite. Something about that song was so groundbreaking and I still consider it one of the greatest pop songs ever made. Filippa (11) proves she was a villain but was working towards the same result as everyone else all along - I love this song. This is a girl group right to my heart (musical taste). I would have loved them to stay together because initially I thought of them as a real band. But still I seemed to like their songs better than the songs of the average girl band …

Untouchable Ace (11) name checks a star - Overtime and with @beyoncésweaves help this song has been proven to be important for pop, so understated that it transcends genre. Ironheade (11) was kind enough to leave words just for this track! <3 - What can be said, really, other than that “Overload” is a masterpiece? The personalities of all three members – Siobhan's girlish vulnerability, Keisha's smooth and assured soulfulness, Mutya's deceptively chilly and aloof vocal tone giving way to more eagerness and emotive power than seems apparent at first – shine through beautifully. The percussion is so smooth yet lively and groovy, the bassline's an instant earworm, the guitar solo is cool as hell, that middle-8 breakdown with the clanky piano is incredible... I could go on, but I won't, except to pray that this isn't done wrong even when it's up against so much distinguished competition.

Truly, great work getting here girls!
Stellar number, framing the top 2 with the very best – either taking the crown would be incredibly deserved and Overload finishing second does not speak ill to its quality whatsoever!

So, your winner is Be My Baby!

Winner Post,


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00s Recap

#56 - Danity Kane - Show Stopper
#51 - Las Ketchup - The Ketchup Song
#44 - Bardot - Poison
#38 - Dixie Chicks - Goodbye Earl
#29 - Pussycat Dolls - Don't Cha
#27 - Booty Luv - Boogie 2nite
#23 - Mis-Teeq - Why
#20 - The Veronicas - 4ever
#14 - The Saturdays - If This Is Love

#9 - t.A.T.u - All The Things She Said (00s Bronze)
#3 - Girls Aloud - Sound Of The Underground (00s Silver)
#2 - Sugababes - Overload (00s Gold)

Average Placement: 26.333
So here is where the most recent music fell in this rate, my lovelies! It came as no surprise to anyone that Girls Aloud and Sugababes ended up at the top of the pack here. The surprise (for me) had to do with the Pussycat Dolls not being third best as I had assumed they would go quite far with this crowd. I cannot say you all got it wrong in getting rid of Danity Kane first as that was quite the obnoxious racket!

The decade saw an appreciation for off-kilter pop with our top 2 of the decade producing two of the most decorated and critically acclaimed songs of this century so far, and influencing what a girl band could actually achieve and do to this day. Dixie Chicks deserve a mention for being the sole representative of their genre here and taking their niche by storm for quite a while before this breakthrough. I will say again, without the good work of their predecessors going back to the 60s (and probably before), there might be a very different sound we experience in today's music. The brave ones still take it further and extend what can be done - which is where the Sugababes taking the crown of the decade feels so right! Hope you enjoyed this list!

Final decade recap,

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