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heartmightmelt

heartmightmelt

Discovery has only broadcast 55 episodes so far, but it's been on the back foot in some respects since the first season aired. It took TNG around 60 episodes to get past the inherent problems in Gene's bible, and even then some of his creative decisions still strangle the perception of the franchise despite most of them being quietly forgetten on-screen from about 1990 onwards.

That said, I understand a lot of the decisions made, even if I would have made different choices, because just making more episodes of Star Trek in the template of The Next Generation, Voyager and season 2 of Enterprise was not an option, even if a sizable portion of the fanbase would have been perfectly happy with that (because they don't seem to have watched any other TV shows made since 1994 and are stuck in that ensemble drama mindset).

I really hope that they smash this final year and go out on a high.
 
Christopher

Christopher

I love so many things about Discovery, but sadly one of those is not the overall show itself. I'm absolutely fine with it leaving after 5 years. I'm cautiously optimistic about Picard season 3, and as lovely as it is too see the old TNG cast, I'd love to see what someone like Matalas could do with his own brand-new show.
 
Gemini

Gemini

I really hope they decide to do a new show in Discovery's current time period. I feel like it deserves more (and better).

With Picard and Discovery ending, i'm feeling very "So... now what?" with Star Trek. They've been really keeping us fed the last few years and I love having so much Trek in my life. I really hope they fill the void with a new show that really is done right start to finish to replace the void that Picard and Discovery will be leaving.
 
Mikey1701

Mikey1701

I’m not surprised at all but this still sucks. I feel very protective of the show considering all the irrational hate it gets from certain loudly vocal “fans”. Apparently it came out of the blue and they are having to add extra filming dates to turn it into a series finale.

Strange New Worlds is going to be the flagship show now- and I really hate that it will be. It’s just so asinine and bland in a desperate attempt to appease rabid fans. Out of the first season, I only really enjoyed Spock Amok and The Serene Squall.
 
The_Rani

The_Rani

I won't really miss it much. The cast is not very good for the most part and it is repetitive. As others have said, I want to like it a lot more than I do. Sad for the actors and that there will likely be less Trek on, but can't say I ever need to see some of the bland and boring characters ever again... and if season 5 is just about another universe-endangering phenomenon - I am switching off!
 
Gemini

Gemini

Also: Please cast Doug Jones as a different character in Trek at some point. He is so damn talented, and also so invested in being part of the Trek family and interacting with fans. I would love to see him have more alien Trek roles.
 
heartmightmelt

heartmightmelt

Two twitter threads that make good points:




Roger Meyer Burnett has spent the last five or so years propogating the 25% rule myth and people listen to him because they think he's deep in the Star Trek fold. He isn't. He's just an angry man shouting at the sky. He produced extras for the Blurays between 2011 and 2015. He's about as connected to anybody on the current Star Trek productions as I am, my friends partner works on the shows post-production and I have DM flirted with one of the background extras on Instagram.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he shot his own fan production starring Gary Graham and Manu Interyami.
 
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Mikey1701

Mikey1701

This week’s episode felt like a prestige TV episode, which is exactly what they’ve been trying to do ever since the show started. It’s come close a few times but not got there.

It’s a shame that this is final season because the show finally feels like it has clicked.
 
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carlos_b_fly

ArronJustMight said:
Truly! The story really needed this scene. It really needed to be believable that Bev hid having a son from Picard. Gates sold it.
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I didn’t really buy Beverly’s reasoning but she sold it with her acting. The whole scene with her and Picard was great and another example of what the series does well, pathos over OTT melodrama.

This was another fantastic episode and they are really side stepping all the issues modern Trek has faced to date with serialisation so far - set up mystery threads with clear, defined, short term payoffs and let them resolve it in a way that keeps the narrative clean and tight. The fact we’ve already answered the Big Bad threat so soon is great, the season is the right balance of a flowing story alongside pocket sized mysteries.
 
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carlos_b_fly

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Truly! I kinda wish they used the season 2 route of Beverly being away from the enterprise as the timelime for the other son but I guess that would make him too old.
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It would have been cute but realistically I think it would have retrospectively nuked her character. Those following five years back in TNG and she’s secretly smiling into the eyes of Jean-Luc and hiding their son from him the whole time?

It would have ruined a lot of Beverly in TNG and I like the idea of her going off the radar and returning with a new, hardened take on the character.
 
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carlos_b_fly

Christopher said:
I love so many things about Discovery, but sadly one of those is not the overall show itself. I'm absolutely fine with it leaving after 5 years. I'm cautiously optimistic about Picard season 3, and as lovely as it is too see the old TNG cast, I'd love to see what someone like Matalas could do with his own brand-new show.
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I can’t say I’ll miss the show or it’s approach to Trek overall but I do think the actors deserved a proper final season rather than this sudden exit. It felt like they had more to give.

I suspect this will be the shuttering of the Discovery approach now, it’s been a fascinating chapter in the franchise but I think a lot of lessons have been learned on what not to do with Star Trek from this show.

It’s fitting really that even in cancellation the show is getting such a splatty, polarising reaction. The show just could never recover from its initial issues which kind of justifies it getting the axe - Discovery had such a negative stigma it would never be able to shake.
 
Christopher

Christopher

carlos_b_fly said:
I can’t say I’ll miss the show or it’s approach to Trek overall but I do think the actors deserved a proper final season rather than this sudden exit. It felt like they had more to give.
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That's one of my main problems with it. The bridge crew – characters I somehow find endlessly fascinating and appealing, especially given their limited screen time – have SO much more to give. But instead we'll get Burnham and Tilly talking about how good of friends they are. Again.

carlos_b_fly said:
I suspect this will be the shuttering of the Discovery approach now, it’s been a fascinating chapter in the franchise but I think a lot of lessons have been learned on what not to do with Star Trek from this show.
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Could not agree more.
 
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