t.A.T.u. - Beliy Plaschik / White Robe
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passionoia said:
I don't really agree. We are talking about whether or not they've left the lesbian thing behind, and all I was saying is they have. What in this video suggests they are lesbians, or in love with each other? You shouldn't look at their videos as some sort of continuing saga, they are just individual pop videos. And the "characters" they play in their act are not so far from their real personas. Yulia is actually a nympho slag in real life.
You are over analysing the whole thing.
passionoia said:
Like Madonna (from time to time) they realise that lesbianism is a good effective way to get easy attention, but it's one tool in their arsenal of shock tactics! All About Us, for me, was shocking due to the fatality in it. Shocking but brilliant! You're probably right, perhaps they've not one hundred per cent left the lesbian thing but it's not something I really see in them anymore...unless I'm blind.
Robbing the Dead said:
I'm with passionoia on this one in that I believe the act is a continuing theme. Think about it - first album, they were 'together'. Second album, they weren't and we have the dark-haired one getting around a bit. Third album, we have the red-haired one shooting the pregnant one (I can never remember which one's which by name - help!) after spending the first portion of the video looking like she's a little bit in turmoil yet slightly excited over it: ultimate revenge.
I love that t.A.T.u carry on the act when so many popstars ditch it between albums. Of course we could be reading too much into it but I bet that's what they want. It's what they've always been about - 'are they/aren't they?' - and it's a huge part of their success.
I think because they kissed on their first video, now everytime there is any sort of affection between them people call it lesbianism. If one of Girls Aloud was to touch one of the other girl's arms in a video no one would say it's a sign of lesbian affection. But if one of t.A.T.u. was to brush the other's arm everyone would be "zomg! they r pretendin 2 b lezbianz!".
And you are basing your little summary of their career on the few videos you've seen.
First album had them together, it also had Lena getting off with a guy.
Second album had them not together, and Yulia gets off with one man (she doesn't 'get around a bit' as you put it.)
Third album Lena shoots pregnant Yulia.
The reason why she shoots pregnant Yulia is because it's the first single of their new album and a pregnant woman getting shot is shocking and is going to get publicity. They've not chosen to do it because it fits in with their story, or it's a good continuation of it.
And you are basing your little summary of their career on the few videos you've seen.
First album had them together, it also had Lena getting off with a guy.
Second album had them not together, and Yulia gets off with one man (she doesn't 'get around a bit' as you put it.)
Third album Lena shoots pregnant Yulia.
The reason why she shoots pregnant Yulia is because it's the first single of their new album and a pregnant woman getting shot is shocking and is going to get publicity. They've not chosen to do it because it fits in with their story, or it's a good continuation of it.
Robbing the Dead said:
If you read my post prevously, I state that I'm familiar with "most (if not all) of their back catalogue" - I've seen all the videos they have on their website (I love that they're all there to download!) so I'm not basing anything on a small amount.
It's all implication - it's there to be read into and that's what makes them so intriguing.
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ScottStar
Robbing the Dead said:
Oh, but they do. You should read some of the stuff the lezzers post on GA official!
Eryck Happiness said:
My point is though, you are taking a collection of individual pop videos and trying to link them up into a continuous story, which is obviously not the intention of the record company or the multiple directors who came up with them.
Anyway, after listening to the CD version of the song a number of times I can conclude it is very good. My only problem is that it's only two verses and two choruses, so it seems to finish really quickly. The ending is about a minute long which works well in the video obviously, but having an ending that long without vocals on the album version makes me skip to the next track.
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Steve
I think it's a discredit to t.A.T.u.'s management to say there is no theme or continuing theme throughout their music videos and public performance. The tabloid headlines in the "All About Us" video were what sprung to mind when I read passionoia's post, surrounding the argument after which Yulia goes off and gets off with a guy, and it's left for Lena to save her.
They are probably the most well-thought out act in pop music (bar the "Friend Or Foe" video, of course); they are no longer actively acting as lesbians, yet there is still the undercurrent of tension and jealousy, yet solidarity. Each video director would know their back story, in order to come up with a tailored concept, so it's not that hard to draw conclusions that there is an on-going 'storyline'. To say it's reading too much into it and that it's just because it's t.A.T.u. is one thing, but surely you can recognise that it wouldn't even be considered with an act like Girls Aloud, because they've never had story-based music videos, for a start, let alone been part of a fictional backstory, which was continued throughout at least one album's promotion.
They are probably the most well-thought out act in pop music (bar the "Friend Or Foe" video, of course); they are no longer actively acting as lesbians, yet there is still the undercurrent of tension and jealousy, yet solidarity. Each video director would know their back story, in order to come up with a tailored concept, so it's not that hard to draw conclusions that there is an on-going 'storyline'. To say it's reading too much into it and that it's just because it's t.A.T.u. is one thing, but surely you can recognise that it wouldn't even be considered with an act like Girls Aloud, because they've never had story-based music videos, for a start, let alone been part of a fictional backstory, which was continued throughout at least one album's promotion.
She/Her
Steve said:
Maybe Girls Aloud should copy off Tatu's concept of videos for the ultimate shock factor, like erm, Control of the Knife filmed with the girls killing each other off SAW-style and ala-It's My Life by No Doubt with Knives (of course) - but this time Nadine wins, and then to be shot at the end by Brian Higgins. That way we get to see him FINALLY. A proper appearance of the genius behind the music to seal The Aloud's fate - which ties into him being in 'control' per se.
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futurix
Best video concept ever! But they will need to keep that for the split (in fact "Control of the Knife" and "Crocodile Tears" for some reason make me think that both songs are about their split... ).Meathook said:
Cd Audio version has been added to the video and its amazing - listen to the chours,it sounds so different - its brillant!!! http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKPLTduh2U
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Tangled_Up
tatufan said:
Wow! My faith in Tatu is restored, based on the low quality videos i didn't like this, but the chorus is flaming great now. Love it!
Tangled_Up said:
Aww I feel good now!I think u shared the same problem as me and others - the quality of the 1st clip didnt give the song any justice.I loved it at first but mainley for the video itself, now I love everything about it.
t.A.T.u. Insider said that theres too options for the next month :
1]Release the russian album on Dec 25th as planned [yes,xmas!]
2]Delay the album for early 08 and release White Robe with another single and feature the uncensored video on a maxi cd.I think they should go with option 2 as Yulia is heavily pregnant now and would not be able to promote the album,as where she could do a few interviews and the single could self promote itself with the hype.Plus,its only releases in Russia so it doesnt need a world tour promotion.
She/Her
futurix said:
Crocodile Tears should not be released cause it's an album track, but it has grown on me incredibly - before jumping into other topics,
I've heard the CD version of this song - yes, t.A.T.u is back - the ending of this song is pure genius! These girls can never do wrong. Never!
Bring on the album - you, princesses of dark synth cinematic pop!
Without t.A.T.u., the world is a dull, quiet and boring sesspit! They're back...yeeesssss!!!
Ok, admittedly the tune isn't so brilliant, but the video certainly is (and that's just the first ten seconds with Lena parading around in them sussies) and, hopefully, word will get around and peeps will watch it (and buy the single).
Moan and groan time - you can bet any single they release here (UK) won't get any radio-play (the last two singles didn't, so why expect it now) so all of you and your mates are gonna have to bang down your local radio station's walls and DEMAND!! After all, you either have the world with t.A.T.u. or without t.A.T.u. And that mean's you'll be stuck with the Spice Girls and Pussycat Dolls for the rest of your lives Aaaarrrgghhhh!!!!
Ok, admittedly the tune isn't so brilliant, but the video certainly is (and that's just the first ten seconds with Lena parading around in them sussies) and, hopefully, word will get around and peeps will watch it (and buy the single).
Moan and groan time - you can bet any single they release here (UK) won't get any radio-play (the last two singles didn't, so why expect it now) so all of you and your mates are gonna have to bang down your local radio station's walls and DEMAND!! After all, you either have the world with t.A.T.u. or without t.A.T.u. And that mean's you'll be stuck with the Spice Girls and Pussycat Dolls for the rest of your lives Aaaarrrgghhhh!!!!
hey guys...white robe is currently number 1 in youtube australia and russia...big succes for a russian video.....SUGABABES AND GIRLS ALOUD BACK OFF...TATU ARE COMING WITH BIG MUSIC....YOU WOULDNT EVER DARE TO MAKE A VIDEO KILLING A PREGNANT WOMAN....YOU ARE SO LOW IN FRONT OF TATU
lol!!tatu_boylover said:
tatufan said:
Hi t.A.T.u.fan! I can't wait for the album & movie either. "Dangerous & Moving' is a true lost gem.
Just for your info, it's pretty unheard of nowadays for a video to get 'banned' for controversial content.
All UK channels, and European channels transmitting from the UK, have to follow OFCOM rules, and they - OFCOM - generally only completely restrict a video if it contains strobing, fast cutting (both of which can in theory cause fits but the jury is still out on whether this ever really happens while you're at home in your living room - I think it happened in Japan once on a relatively big scale during an episode of Pokemon or something and ever since then people have been careful about it in the UK), or undue prominence (i.e. like every American pop video always has some blatant plug for Nokia phones.) These things are pretty easily rectified in a second edit though. Sometimes bands/media claim a video has been banned by someone like MTV but in actual fact it's been banned by OFCOM - an example from late last year or early this year is The Horrors 'Sheena Is A Parasite'. It IS quite a dark video but OFCOM restricted it for continuous strobing, not for the actual content. However the NME etc reported it as being banned by MTV - i imagine someone at MTV leaked it to the NME and it worked out well for both the band and the channel - publicity.
In times of war, or the death of a royal or something, I believe it is up to the broadcasters discretion if they temporarily ban a video/song. I remember when the last Iraq invasion kicked off around 2003, Radio 1 wouldn't play 'Bandages' by Hot Hot Heat in case it offended those affected by war. I think some broadcasters were also funny about 'Seven Nation Army' by the White Stripes during this time - not to mention Massive Attack changing their name to 'Massive' for America, during the 1st gulf war. Sorry my point here is regarding broadcasters banning stuff on a case by case basis (or avoiding it, for a while) nut of their own free will, not because something has literally been 'banned.'
I'm not entirely sure how it works re: an openly inflammatory video, i.e. a pro-racism vid, pro-homophobia vid, pro-wife beating vid, or an anti-Islam track, for example. It may be that in certain cases OFCOM can properly 'ban' something but i know this virtually never happens, in reality.
As far as I know, all OFCOM can do is give something 'dark' a post 7pm, post 9pm, post 10pm, post midnight or 01.00 - 04.00 restriction.
A bit ridiculous really because i remember being a little kid and getting out of bed around 3am/4am (maybe I am weird) and turning the TV on out of boredom. If you do that now, that's when u might just see the most controversial music videos!
There's a fully pornographic Tupac clip which has minges in it etc which i accidentally stumbled across once at about half 1am, and even though i was 19 at the time i was really stunned that something so graphic could be on MTV!
But it can.