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The 1998 R&B Albums Rate (Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, Brandy and Monica): WINNER REVEALED!

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by londonrain, Mar 11, 2018.

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Which of these artists' followups do you like the most?

  1. Brandy - Full Moon

  2. Monica - After The Storm

  3. Lauryn Hill - MTV Unplugged No. 2.0

  4. Whitney Houston - Just Whitney...

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. Excuse me, can I please talk to you for a minute?

    2018 marks the twentieth anniversary of a number of amazing pop albums, but it was also a moment for R&B.


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    The Fugees followed up their Grammy wins with solo projects for all the members, resulting in Lauryn Hill producing her best work to date.

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    Whitney Houston finally stopped appearing on soundtrack albums and gave us a new studio album with possibly her most clearly defined R&B sound yet.

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    Brandy and Monica shook off the threat of a sophomore slump by following up their debuts with even stronger second albums and teaming up on a #1 collaboration that is still arguably the defining hit of both of their careers.

    This rate honours these four incredible women and their 1998 albums, which all celebrate their twentieth anniversary this year.​

    There's rap! There's an entire orchestral string section! There's a cover of a 1960s country song! There are Diane Warren ballads and Darkchild bops! There are songs from soundtracks to two animated (/partially-animated) films! There's a Sting sample that got reused by the Sugababes!

    But, @londonrain, my fave released an R&B album in 1998 and isn't one of these four!

    Don't worry - I've added in a "best of the rest" section including the key singles from some less successful albums of that year. Aretha Franklin, Debelah Morgan, Deborah Cox, Faith Evans, Kelly Price, Monifah, Mya and Tamia are all represented.

    But, @londonrain, I don't know who some of these people are!

    Well, think of it as a voyage of discovery. All of this is top-drawer R&B, so you shouldn't be disappointed. What kind of rate would this be if it weren't educational?

    Okay. What do I need to do?

    Simply rate each of the songs on a scale from 0 to 10. I'll allow decimals, but keep it sensible. Nobody wants me to screw up the results because I accidentally put down 5.2642 instead of 5.6422.

    You may award one song, and one song only, a score of 11. Choose wisely.

    When you're done, send me a message (using the little envelope in the top right corner of your screen) that contains your scores for all the songs. There are no optional sections in this rate, so you must give a score to all of the songs.

    Are we rating intros and interludes?

    No. They've been removed from the list of songs below. I know Lauryn tacked a bunch of interludes onto the end of several tracks on her album, so I've included links below to versions that don't include those interludes.

    Are we rating The Boy Is Mine twice?

    Obviously not. The version on Monica's album has a shorter intro than the one on Brandy's album, but otherwise there's no difference. (Irritatingly, the Monica album version isn't on Spotify, so I've put the radio edit in its place.) Please put The Boy Is Mine at the top of your ballot (as it is in the plain-text list below).

    Can I rate a version that isn't on the album?

    For songs with multiple versions (e.g. single edits that differ from the album, or dance mixes that you prefer to the original) rate the version that you prefer. The only exception to this rule is Whitney Houston's If I Told You That, for which you must rate the 1998 album version and not the later duet version with George Michael. We're trying to capture the nostalgia here, okay? (Also, Fabolous's cover of So Into You does not count as a "version" of Tamia's original, even though her vocals are still on it.)

    The links in the Best of the Rest section below only cover the single versions and the album versions, but if you want to tell everyone how amazing the original soundtrack version of Things Just Ain't The Same is, then feel free to tell everyone in the thread!

    Do I have to include commentary?

    Commentary is highly encouraged, but is not mandatory.

    Sure, you can just send in a bunch of numbers, but it will make the elimination posts a lot more interesting if you tell us a bit more about why you gave the scores you did. Have you ever tried to get hold of the outfit Whitney is wearing in the video for It's Not Right But It's Okay? Do you know all the words to the rap section in Doo Wop (That Thing)? Have you secretly stanned for the Street Symphony video for the last twenty years? Have you ever loved somebody so much it makes you cry?

    I really can't stand some of the songs in this rate. Can I still vote?

    I fully accept that you will all have differences of opinion. That's the point! Feel free to submit anyway. But if your ballot is really just trolling (like if you give zeroes to the entire Monica album), this will happen:

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  2. Songs To Rate

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    (Spotify playlist available here)


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    Brandy - Never Say Never
    Release date: June 9, 1998
    US chart peaks: #2 (Billboard 200), #2 (R&B/Hip-Hop Albums)
    RIAA certification: 5x platinum

    Intro
    Angel In Disguise
    The Boy Is Mine (with Monica)
    Learn The Hard Way
    Almost Doesn't Count
    Top Of The World (featuring Mase)
    U Don't Know Me (Like U Used To)
    Never Say Never
    Truthfully
    Have You Ever?
    Put That On Everything
    In The Car Interlude
    Happy
    One Voice
    Tomorrow
    (Everything I Do) I Do It For You


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    Monica - The Boy Is Mine
    Release date: July 14, 1998
    US chart peaks: #8 (Billboard 200), #2 (R&B/Hip-Hop Albums)
    RIAA certification: 3x platinum

    Street Symphony
    The Boy Is Mine (with Brandy)
    Ring Da Bell
    The First Night
    Misty Blue
    Angel Of Mine
    Gone Be Fine (featuring OutKast)
    Inside | Alternate link (audio only)
    Take Him Back
    Right Here Waiting (featuring 112)
    'Cross The Room
    I Keep It To Myself
    For You I Will


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    Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
    Release date: August 25, 1998
    US chart peaks: #1 (Billboard 200), #1 (R&B/Hip-Hop Albums)
    RIAA certification: 8x platinum

    Intro
    Lost Ones
    Ex-Factor
    To Zion (featuring Carlos Santana)
    Doo Wop (That Thing)
    Superstar
    Final Hour
    When It Hurts So Bad
    I Used To Love Him (featuring Mary J. Blige)
    Forgive Them Father
    Every Ghetto, Every City
    Nothing Even Matters (featuring D'Angelo)
    Everything Is Everything
    The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
    Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You
    Tell Him


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    Whitney Houston - My Love Is Your Love
    Release date: November 17, 1998
    US chart peaks: #13 (Billboard 200), #7 (R&B/Hip-Hop Albums)
    RIAA certification: 4x platinum

    It's Not Right But It's Okay
    Heartbreak Hotel (featuring Faith Evans and Kelly Price)
    My Love Is Your Love
    When You Believe (with Mariah Carey)
    If I Told You That
    In My Business (featuring Missy Elliott)
    I Learned From The Best
    Oh Yes
    Get It Back
    Until You Come Back
    I Bow Out
    You'll Never Stand Alone
    I Was Made To Love Him


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    The Best of the Rest

    Aretha Franklin - A Rose Is Still A Rose
    A Rose Is Still A Rose
    Here We Go Again

    Debelah Morgan - It's Not Over
    Yesterday
    I Love You

    Deborah Cox -
    One Wish
    Things Just Ain't The Same (Dance Mix)
    Nobody's Supposed To Be Here | Alternate link (audio only) | Dance Mix
    It's Over Now
    We Can't Be Friends (with RL)


    Faith Evans - Keep The Faith
    Love Like This
    All Night Long (featuring Puff Daddy)
    Never Gonna Let You Go
    Lately I

    Kelly Price - Soul of a Woman
    Friend of Mine | Album Version | Single Remix (featuring Ronald Isley & R. Kelly)
    Secret Love | Album Version | Single Remix (featuring Da Brat & Jermaine Dupri)
    Soul of a Woman

    Monifah - Mo'hogany
    Touch It
    Monifah's Anthem/Bad Girl (featuring Queen Pen)
    Suga Suga

    Mýa - Mýa
    It's All About Me (featuring Sisqo)
    Movin' On | Album Version | Single Version (featuring Silkk The Shocker)
    My First Night With You | Album Version | Single Mix

    Tamia - Tamia
    You Put A Move On My Heart
    Imagination
    So Into You
    Loving You Still

    The Boy Is Mine

    Brandy - Never Say Never
    Angel In Disguise
    Learn The Hard Way
    Almost Doesn't Count
    Top Of The World
    U Don't Know Me (Like U Used To)
    Never Say Never
    Truthfully
    Have You Ever?
    Put That On Everything
    Happy
    One Voice
    Tomorrow
    (Everything I Do) I Do It For You

    Monica - The Boy Is Mine
    Street Symphony
    Ring Da Bell
    The First Night
    Misty Blue
    Angel Of Mine
    Gone Be Fine
    Inside
    Take Him Back
    Right Here Waiting
    'Cross The Room
    I Keep It To Myself
    For You I Will

    Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
    Lost Ones
    Ex-Factor
    To Zion
    Doo Wop (That Thing)
    Superstar
    Final Hour
    When It Hurts So Bad
    I Used To Love Him
    Forgive Them Father
    Every Ghetto, Every City
    Nothing Even Matters
    Everything Is Everything
    The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
    Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You
    Tell Him

    Whitney Houston - My Love Is Your Love
    It's Not Right But It's Okay
    Heartbreak Hotel
    My Love Is Your Love
    When You Believe
    If I Told You That
    In My Business
    I Learned From The Best
    Oh Yes
    Get It Back
    Until You Come Back
    I Bow Out
    You'll Never Stand Alone
    I Was Made To Love Him

    The Best of the Rest

    A Rose Is Still A Rose
    Here We Go Again
    Yesterday
    I Love You
    Things Just Ain't The Same
    Nobody's Supposed To Be Here
    It's Over Now
    We Can't Be Friends
    Love Like This
    All Night Long
    Never Gonna Let You Go
    Lately I
    Friend of Mine
    Secret Love
    Soul of a Woman
    Touch It
    Monifah's Anthem/Bad Girl
    Suga Suga
    It's All About Me
    Movin' On
    My First Night With You
    You Put A Move On My Heart
    Imagination
    So Into You
    Loving You Still
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2018
  3. ALBUMS WE COULD HAVE RATED

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    Chaka Khan - Come 2 My House
    1. Spoon
    2. Don't Talk To Strangers
    3. I'll Never B Another Fool
    Des'ree - Supernatural
    1. I'm Kissing You
    2. Life
    3. Fire
    4. What's Your Sign?
    5. You Gotta Be ('99 Mix)
    Nicole - Make It Hot
    1. Make It Hot
    2. I Can't See
    3. Eyes Better Not Wander
    Beverley Knight - Prodigal Sista
    1. Made It Back
    2. Rewind (Find A Way)
    3. Sista Sista
    4. Made It Back '99
    5. Greatest Day
    6. Sista Sista
    Sparkle - Sparkle
    1. Be Careful
    2. Time To Move On
    3. What About
    4. Lovin' You
    Mica Paris - Black Angel
    1. Stay
    2. Carefree
    3. Black Angel
    Queen Latifah - Order In The Court
    1. It's Alright
    2. Bananas (Who You Gonna Call?)
    3. Paper
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2018
  4. ELIMINATIONS

    79. (Everything I Do) I Do It For You (Brandy)
    78. Soul of a Woman (Kelly Price)
    77. We Can't Be Friends (Deborah Cox & RL)
    76. Lately I (Faith Evans)
    75. My First Night With You (Mya)
    74. Never Gonna Let You Go (Faith Evans)
    73. Truthfully (Brandy)
    72. Friend Of Mine (Kelly Price)
    71. I Keep It To Myself (Monica)

    70. One Voice (Brandy)
    69. You'll Never Stand Alone (Whitney Houston)
    68. Secret Love (Kelly Price)
    67. Right Here Waiting (Monica featuring 112)
    66. Put That On Everything (Brandy)
    65. Oh Yes (Whitney Houston)
    64. Movin' On (Mya)
    63. I Was Made To Love Him (Whitney Houston)
    62. Monifah's Anthem/Bad Girl (Monifah featuring Queen Pen)
    61. Ring Da Bell (Monica)

    60. Until You Come Back (Whitney Houston)
    59. Tomorrow (Brandy)
    58. It's All About Me (Mya & Sisqo)
    57. In My Business (Whitney Houston featuring Missy Elliott)
    56. Inside (Monica)
    55. Suga Suga (Monifah)
    54. Every Ghetto, Every City (Lauryn Hill)
    53. Nothing Even Matters (Lauryn Hill featuring D'Angelo)
    52. It's Over Now (Deborah Cox)

    50. Superstar (Lauryn Hill)
    50. All Night Long (Faith Evans featuring Puff Daddy)
    49. Final Hour (Lauryn Hill)
    48. When It Hurts So Bad (Lauryn Hill)
    47. I Used To Love Him (Lauryn Hill featuring Mary J. Blige)
    46. Loving You Still (Tamia)
    45. You Put A Move On My Heart (Tamia)
    44. For You I Will (Monica)
    43. Yesterday (Debelah Morgan)
    42. Here We Go Again (Aretha Franklin)
    41. Take Him Back (Monica)

    40. Misty Blue (Monica)
    39. Get It Back (Whitney Houston)
    38. Forgive Them Father (Lauryn Hill featuring Shelly Thunder)
    37. Imagination (Tamia featuring Jermaine Dupri)
    36. I Love You (Debelah Morgan)
    35. Lost Ones (Lauryn Hill)
    34. Tell Him (Lauryn Hill)
    33. 'Cross The Room (Monica)
    32. Things Just Ain't The Same (Deborah Cox)
    31. To Zion (Lauryn Hill featuring Carlos Santana)

    30. Gone Be Fine (Monica featuring OutKast)
    29. I Bow Out (Whitney Houston)
    28. Top Of The World (Brandy featuring Mase)
    27. Learn The Hard Way (Brandy)
    26. Happy (Brandy)
    25. Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You (Lauryn Hill)
    24. Never Say Never (Brandy)
    23. A Rose Is Still A Rose (Aretha Franklin)
    22. Have You Ever? (Brandy)
    21. U Don't Know Me (Like U Used To) (Brandy)

    20. The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill (Lauryn Hill)
    19. Nobody's Supposed To Be Here (Deborah Cox)
    18. So Into You (Tamia)
    16. (tie) Touch It (Monifah) / When You Believe (Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston)
    15. Angel In Disguise (Brandy)
    14. I Learned From The Best (Whitney Houston)
    13. Street Symphony (Monica)
    12. Almost Doesn't Count (Brandy)
    11. If I Told You That (Whitney Houston)

    10. The First Night (Monica)
    9. Angel Of Mine (Monica)
    8. Everything Is Everything (Lauryn Hill)
    7. Heartbreak Hotel (Whitney Houston featuring Faith Evans & Kelly Price)
    6. Love Like This (Faith Evans)
    5. Ex-Factor (Lauryn Hill)
    4. Doo Wop (That Thing) (Lauryn Hill)
    3. My Love Is Your Love (Whitney Houston)
    2. The Boy Is Mine (Brandy & Monica)
    1. It's Not Right But It's Okay (Whitney Houston)​

     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2018
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