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The 80s-90s Lost Classics Rate - Goodbye Wes! :'-(
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The current song in Last Place has been there a while, though with @Ana Raquel @DominoDancing @Maki @TéléDex @Untouchable Ace still due to send scores - I wonder if it might change...
I'm desperately writing some commentary at the moment. Probably won't finish for another two hours when it's midnight my time. Hope this is alright.
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Take your time, we're not in a hurry here! So glad that you've made it!
Thanks. Good to know. I've calmed down a bit now. I'm looking forward to it.
I think there's more than one obvious last place. There are about five songs I imagine will end up with quite a low average.
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Update: 20 songs left for me to finish!!!!!
I wrote so much commentary for Pixie Lott but nothing for this.
What was I thinking.
I'll see if I get to that.
What was I thinking.
I'll see if I get to that.
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While we wait for those final ballots to come in - we are doing something I first did on the Anime Rate as a Prelude to Results here!
Under the Spoiler Tag are the songs that have received an 11 and/or a 0! There is currently one song that has received both so when I said:
I wasn't kidding! Ddddd
(As the late voters send ballots, I'll update the list, and reveal the full Judging Panel!)
@Filippa and myself will do the Elimination of songs we each nominated at this stage, so you get a sense of why we picked a particular song - so far the difference between #65 and #64 is 0.9 (not even one point they are so close!) so we'll see who it is who'll handle the first cut #soon, hey?
Under the Spoiler Tag are the songs that have received an 11 and/or a 0! There is currently one song that has received both so when I said:
The way you are all treating each other's 11s is very this:
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I wasn't kidding! Ddddd
(As the late voters send ballots, I'll update the list, and reveal the full Judging Panel!)
Aïcha
Alane
Ameno
Anton Aus Tirol
Conquest Of Paradise
Hasta Siempre
Herz An Herz
Hou! La Menteuse!
I Promised Myself
Im Nin'Alu
La Tribu De Dana
Lemon Tree
Les Demons De Minuit
Major Tom
Narcotic
Shut Up & Sleep With Me
Something's Going On
Tu ne M'as Pas Laissé Le Temps
Vivo Per Lei
What's A Woman
Alane
Ameno
Anton Aus Tirol
Conquest Of Paradise
Hasta Siempre
Herz An Herz
Hou! La Menteuse!
I Promised Myself
Im Nin'Alu
La Tribu De Dana
Lemon Tree
Les Demons De Minuit
Major Tom
Narcotic
Shut Up & Sleep With Me
Something's Going On
Tu ne M'as Pas Laissé Le Temps
Vivo Per Lei
What's A Woman
@Filippa and myself will do the Elimination of songs we each nominated at this stage, so you get a sense of why we picked a particular song - so far the difference between #65 and #64 is 0.9 (not even one point they are so close!) so we'll see who it is who'll handle the first cut #soon, hey?
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But does she need your help?
Will she take the crown? And who else has got a chance? So many questions ... maybe you'll find some answers in the list with the 0s and 11s ...
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Apologies for the delay - just waiting for one potential final ballot (though if @iheartpoptarts @londonrain @Doodvid @Cotton Park @Rooneyboy and anyone else) sneak one in soon - that’s fine too *hint hint*
Finally, I managed to catch up with the thread, after voting earlier today. What a ride. Such an eclectic collection of songs and a variety of genres - among the most sonically diverse rates I've taken part in, actually.
A couple of great discoveries, several revelations (including a huge one), and some downright WTF moments.
It's a pity that I ended up rushing my scores in and listening to a large portion of the songs only once (about 50% of them last evening/night oop), since I'm sure there are growers and some of my scores are likely to appear too high/low in retrospect.
Of course, I also read all those great spotlights by our hosts. That Sheila song you spotlighted is a true discovery, @berserkboi!
And thanks to that final write up, @Filippa, I was reminded of how much time my 5 year old self spent going through approx. 100-200 karaoke versions of songs on some CD to find "Wind of Change", because I adored the whistling, which also sounded very sad to me. It's a beautiful song. Oh, and "Live Is Life" is quite a revelation - haven't heard that song in so long and had no idea it's my an Austrian band, not even its title.
Looking forward to the results! I have at least three songs in mind that could end up as the first elimination.
A couple of great discoveries, several revelations (including a huge one), and some downright WTF moments.
It's a pity that I ended up rushing my scores in and listening to a large portion of the songs only once (about 50% of them last evening/night oop), since I'm sure there are growers and some of my scores are likely to appear too high/low in retrospect.
Of course, I also read all those great spotlights by our hosts. That Sheila song you spotlighted is a true discovery, @berserkboi!
And thanks to that final write up, @Filippa, I was reminded of how much time my 5 year old self spent going through approx. 100-200 karaoke versions of songs on some CD to find "Wind of Change", because I adored the whistling, which also sounded very sad to me. It's a beautiful song. Oh, and "Live Is Life" is quite a revelation - haven't heard that song in so long and had no idea it's my an Austrian band, not even its title.
Looking forward to the results! I have at least three songs in mind that could end up as the first elimination.
Also, let me spotlight one gorgeous song that surprisingly wasn't mentioned in this thread:
It has always sounded like a lost classic to me, probably because it received (and still receives) massive radio play in my country. However, I didn't expect to see that the song only appeared on Italian charts. Would've been an 11-condender if it was included here.
It has always sounded like a lost classic to me, probably because it received (and still receives) massive radio play in my country. However, I didn't expect to see that the song only appeared on Italian charts. Would've been an 11-condender if it was included here.
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Let's get started, shall we?
#65
Dorothée : Hou! La Menteuse
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials: IFOP #1 Single for 9 weeks in France, Reportedly sold 1.3 million copies, SILVER certified by InfoDisc
Average Score: 4.5613
Highest Score: 8.2 @Untouchable Ace
Lowest Score: 0 @Penguin
#65
Dorothée : Hou! La Menteuse
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials: IFOP #1 Single for 9 weeks in France, Reportedly sold 1.3 million copies, SILVER certified by InfoDisc
Average Score: 4.5613
Highest Score: 8.2 @Untouchable Ace
Lowest Score: 0 @Penguin
It is curtains for Dorothée as the first casualty of the Lost Classics Rate! Out of the songs I picked for inclusion, I had an inkling Hou! La Menteuse would be the first to bite the dust! The good news? This song is my lowest score out of all my picks! The bad news? Dorothée is an Ultimate Favourite artist, so it does pain me to see her go first.
This is all to do with Song Choice though so when my commentary for this one said: (7.4) - The facepalm I gave myself when I saw the only Dorothée single that qualified was her worst one! Ddddd I wasn’t kidding, and yes I will feature more of her music later on.
Dorothée is famous in France for a program called Club Dorothée, which is pretty much my generation’s francophone version of The Mickey Mouse Club - a kid’s variety show that features skits, cartoons (anime and the start of my love for it in this case), live performances (Mylène Farmer even performed at Club Dorothée) and launching several careers (Hélène Rollès, Christophe Rippert, Emmanuelle are a few examples). Even though this program finished up in the 90s, we are still a pretty united front on Social Media and many episodes are released on a schedule on their YouTube channel. Nostalgia is a funny thing, hey?
To my generation Dorothée would be someone akin to Britney Spears at the height of her success, though her beginnings came from a very different perspective. She got her start as an announcer/presenter on TV specialising in Kids’ Programming in 1977 with different projects making a name for herself until Club Dorothée. From there - Dorothée launched a Music Career (you can’t ignore that dormant audience that was ripe for the taking, hey?) which saw her develop an extensive discography and release almost one album a year between 1980 and 1996. At the height of her success, Dorothée’s concerts in France were selling more tickets than Johnny Hallyday or Michael Jackson were, and she was even awarded a '"Fauteuil d'Or" for over 500,000 ticket sales at her 1992 tour!
Sadly, Dorothée biggest success was a track that is representative of her Children's Entertainment market so there was no way I could ignore Hou! La Menteuse and bring you one of my actual favourites. You can’t argue with the numbers (#1 for 9 weeks, certified 2 x Platinum) when it comes to objectively selecting music for the rate. Even the parent album here is Dorothée’s best selling in a career of many! Hou! La Menteuse translates to ‘Boo! The Liar!’ and is basically her in conversation with her infantile little brother teasing her about a boy she likes and she denies it throughout the song. A fun earworm that stops being fun about 2 minutes in! Dddd
Dorothée has not been up to much recently, she favoured keeping a low profile after Club Dorothée ended in 1997, and really - who can blame her after giving it all she had for 20 years! She makes appearances for specials about that era of music, or her impact on French Culture every so often but that’s the extent of it. A true voice of a generation if there ever were one!
What did PopJustice think?
@jtm (3) calls her an Ahead Of Her Time Queen - Whew, the foresight of this already having Spotify compatible length and being Tik Tok compatible trash. @DominoDancing (5) brings me commentary that had me burst out laughing, who’s running that nursery rhyme rate? - No idea what's going on here, but it feels like I'm being asked to rate "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" or "Mary Had a Little Lamb". Perhaps I would have found this funny 35 years ago, but in 2020 I find this mostly annoying.
@Maki (4,25) pretty much has the same reaction Adult me has ~ It started off cute, but then just got more and more annoying as it went on. Pas pour moi! @Penguin (0) is taking no prisoners! – I want to justify giving a 0. This got on my nerves quite irrationally. I gather the target audience was meant to be children but it reminded me of how much I used to dislike that characters on TV and those awful audio educational CDs mostly sang flat on purpose. I really think kids have better taste than that. Maybe singing on key was how Disney brainwashed generations of kids to love them.
@WowWowWowWow (6.5) brings up a star we Could Have Rated so Hou! La Menteuse might have avoided last place - All I can say is it made me want to listen to Jordy and that's not a compliment. @daninternational (3) does not believe in wasting his time on little brothers - I think I'm glad not to understand the lyrics. @Filippa (3) potentially says the shadiest thing ever! - Sounds like DJ Ötzi in French?
@Phonetics Girl (4) might be into that rate idea afterall! - Is this what nursery kids sing over there? @Eric (4) is not finding much love to report - It grates, I'm afraid. @pop3blow2 (8) gives us a rare positive commentary here - This is short & kinda fun. Had it gone any longer though, it would’ve dipped into the danger zone! @MilesAngel (3) is getting Crazy Frog flashbacks! - I'm not a fan of children singing so this gets annoying. Even more irritatingly the chorus gets stuck in your head.
@TéléDex (1) knows that there is plenty better in the repertoire, so allow me to close with their take - Great personality! I recognise her. (I’ve looked at samples of her show, and I’d love to see someone do a musical kids show like that as long as it didn’t veer into plain awful 21st-century TikTok pop styles, maybe one inspired by Soul Train or Total Request Live instead.) But I can’t stand this song. It’s just neh-neh-neh-neh-neh, and not the Vaya Con Dios kind, and that’s the silly song I didn’t know before this rate. I know much, much better children’s songs and I’m not talking about School Disco or 90s Official Chart winners Bob, Teletubbies or Tweenies, though I’d happily go for 80s Fireman Sam or a good Barney song over this childish shite! No, sorry, Dorothee!
I present Hou! La Menteuse!
Now, here are some of my favourites by my Childhood Queen (coming to you soon on PJRetro perhaps? These would earn you easy Berserky 12s!) She had a great knack for melody when she had a chance to do her own thing!
Inventing a choreography Mariah Carey got very inspired by here! (Just look at how great that stage production was for an late 80s / early 90s Tour!)
This is all to do with Song Choice though so when my commentary for this one said: (7.4) - The facepalm I gave myself when I saw the only Dorothée single that qualified was her worst one! Ddddd I wasn’t kidding, and yes I will feature more of her music later on.
Dorothée is famous in France for a program called Club Dorothée, which is pretty much my generation’s francophone version of The Mickey Mouse Club - a kid’s variety show that features skits, cartoons (anime and the start of my love for it in this case), live performances (Mylène Farmer even performed at Club Dorothée) and launching several careers (Hélène Rollès, Christophe Rippert, Emmanuelle are a few examples). Even though this program finished up in the 90s, we are still a pretty united front on Social Media and many episodes are released on a schedule on their YouTube channel. Nostalgia is a funny thing, hey?
To my generation Dorothée would be someone akin to Britney Spears at the height of her success, though her beginnings came from a very different perspective. She got her start as an announcer/presenter on TV specialising in Kids’ Programming in 1977 with different projects making a name for herself until Club Dorothée. From there - Dorothée launched a Music Career (you can’t ignore that dormant audience that was ripe for the taking, hey?) which saw her develop an extensive discography and release almost one album a year between 1980 and 1996. At the height of her success, Dorothée’s concerts in France were selling more tickets than Johnny Hallyday or Michael Jackson were, and she was even awarded a '"Fauteuil d'Or" for over 500,000 ticket sales at her 1992 tour!
Sadly, Dorothée biggest success was a track that is representative of her Children's Entertainment market so there was no way I could ignore Hou! La Menteuse and bring you one of my actual favourites. You can’t argue with the numbers (#1 for 9 weeks, certified 2 x Platinum) when it comes to objectively selecting music for the rate. Even the parent album here is Dorothée’s best selling in a career of many! Hou! La Menteuse translates to ‘Boo! The Liar!’ and is basically her in conversation with her infantile little brother teasing her about a boy she likes and she denies it throughout the song. A fun earworm that stops being fun about 2 minutes in! Dddd
Dorothée has not been up to much recently, she favoured keeping a low profile after Club Dorothée ended in 1997, and really - who can blame her after giving it all she had for 20 years! She makes appearances for specials about that era of music, or her impact on French Culture every so often but that’s the extent of it. A true voice of a generation if there ever were one!
What did PopJustice think?
@jtm (3) calls her an Ahead Of Her Time Queen - Whew, the foresight of this already having Spotify compatible length and being Tik Tok compatible trash. @DominoDancing (5) brings me commentary that had me burst out laughing, who’s running that nursery rhyme rate? - No idea what's going on here, but it feels like I'm being asked to rate "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" or "Mary Had a Little Lamb". Perhaps I would have found this funny 35 years ago, but in 2020 I find this mostly annoying.
@Maki (4,25) pretty much has the same reaction Adult me has ~ It started off cute, but then just got more and more annoying as it went on. Pas pour moi! @Penguin (0) is taking no prisoners! – I want to justify giving a 0. This got on my nerves quite irrationally. I gather the target audience was meant to be children but it reminded me of how much I used to dislike that characters on TV and those awful audio educational CDs mostly sang flat on purpose. I really think kids have better taste than that. Maybe singing on key was how Disney brainwashed generations of kids to love them.
@WowWowWowWow (6.5) brings up a star we Could Have Rated so Hou! La Menteuse might have avoided last place - All I can say is it made me want to listen to Jordy and that's not a compliment. @daninternational (3) does not believe in wasting his time on little brothers - I think I'm glad not to understand the lyrics. @Filippa (3) potentially says the shadiest thing ever! - Sounds like DJ Ötzi in French?
@Phonetics Girl (4) might be into that rate idea afterall! - Is this what nursery kids sing over there? @Eric (4) is not finding much love to report - It grates, I'm afraid. @pop3blow2 (8) gives us a rare positive commentary here - This is short & kinda fun. Had it gone any longer though, it would’ve dipped into the danger zone! @MilesAngel (3) is getting Crazy Frog flashbacks! - I'm not a fan of children singing so this gets annoying. Even more irritatingly the chorus gets stuck in your head.
@TéléDex (1) knows that there is plenty better in the repertoire, so allow me to close with their take - Great personality! I recognise her. (I’ve looked at samples of her show, and I’d love to see someone do a musical kids show like that as long as it didn’t veer into plain awful 21st-century TikTok pop styles, maybe one inspired by Soul Train or Total Request Live instead.) But I can’t stand this song. It’s just neh-neh-neh-neh-neh, and not the Vaya Con Dios kind, and that’s the silly song I didn’t know before this rate. I know much, much better children’s songs and I’m not talking about School Disco or 90s Official Chart winners Bob, Teletubbies or Tweenies, though I’d happily go for 80s Fireman Sam or a good Barney song over this childish shite! No, sorry, Dorothee!
I present Hou! La Menteuse!
Now, here are some of my favourites by my Childhood Queen (coming to you soon on PJRetro perhaps? These would earn you easy Berserky 12s!) She had a great knack for melody when she had a chance to do her own thing!
Inventing a choreography Mariah Carey got very inspired by here! (Just look at how great that stage production was for an late 80s / early 90s Tour!)
I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to that one.
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Some notable stars whose careers started on Club Dorothée:
@soratami and Berserky PJOPS Fave
French Heartthrob klaxon for @WowWowWowWow and @iheartpoptarts
A soft gorgeous ballad for @Filippa and @pop3blow2 from Emmanuelle
Maybe a career that didn't need to start - though earworm!
A hottie all for @Untouchable Ace in his 90s Navii stanning!
@soratami and Berserky PJOPS Fave
French Heartthrob klaxon for @WowWowWowWow and @iheartpoptarts
A soft gorgeous ballad for @Filippa and @pop3blow2 from Emmanuelle
Maybe a career that didn't need to start - though earworm!
A hottie all for @Untouchable Ace in his 90s Navii stanning!
