The 80s-90s Lost Classics Rate - Goodbye Wes! :'-(

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Young Deenay never reaching absolute stardom in at least the UK & France (huge sales markets at the time) is a big crime! I still love that trinity of greatness as much now as I did (gasp!) 20 years ago!! To hear that she went into Social Sciences and became iconic in that sector as well though really warms my heart! Queen @Filippa featuring a fellow Queen in the best possible way!

Sadly, this also means a cut I have been dreading is next as my first 10 is gonna bite the dust....
 
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Young Deenay's the second artist in this countdown I had never heard of before, as she's never released anything over here that even made a ripple on the airwaves.

I instantly recognized Sasha's voice though and I'm quite thankful to Fatima for introducing us to him.

And I kind of agree that it's way too Sweetbox/Coolio to really be a standout here, as this kind of song was everywhere at the time.

Having said all that... Here I am typing this post while listening to Walk On By and, well...
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Bye Belle!



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Roch Voisine - Hélène
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials:
#1 France (9 weeks) - staying in the Top 10 for 20 weeks, #3 Norway, 1 million copies sold, Certified PLATINUM by SNEP, 139th Best Selling Single Of All Time in France
Average Score: 6.279
Highest Score: 10 @berserkboi
Lowest Score: 1 @Ana Raquel

Ana Raquel AKA The Bop Police strikes and Roch is the first victim!

As previously discussed, the Lost Classics Rate hoped to bring each of us at least one song we grew up enjoying, and potentially “lost” along the way. Hélène was such a song for me. I forgot all about its existence (and Roch’s) until a year or two ago when first compiling potential songs for this rate, and when I listened to it again after 20 odd years - the memories came flashing back. The best visual I can give to how this felt was the scene in Ratatouille when the food critic tries the ratatouille, triggering a childhood memory. I remembered how much my teenage sister loved this track, how Roch’s simple melody and good looks captured the women from every generation in my life (my sister, my mother and my grandmother all loving everything Hélène for what seemed like years).

With an emotional connection so intense it almost made me tear up thinking of my Grandma who has since passed away, a 10 was always on the cards for Hélène. I am very glad I stuck with that score actually - the simplicity of that opening guitar chord is enchanting every time as is the beautiful sad longing with which Roch delivers the track. I will admit I don’t actually find the English chorus as strong as the immersive and poetic verses but the bombastic progression where the chorus literally explodes is an aural serve every time!

You know who else pretty much gave this song a 10/10 as soon as they heard it? The French! Hélène has the distinction of being the first song by a Canadian artist to top the charts in France! You can see how much of an impact it made too when looking at the credentials above - it truly remained relevant for a long time. Obviously a certain Queen Dion would go on to break different records on that chart, as would Bryan Adams and Lost Classics alumnus Garou. Isn’t it fascinating to picture how different the Easy Listening genre would be if we had a little more Roch Voisine and a lot less Bryan Adams on the charts in the late 80s-early 90s, hey? Potentially a lot more bilingual country-tinged ballads for us to talk about today! (Poor Ana Raquel Ddddd)

Sadly for Roch, no other song he released ever reached Francophone zeitgeist like Hélène did. He would still score a lot of hits on the chart (I am counting 9 Top 10 Singles within 5 years) but I (along with many I would gather) cannot even remember how they go as his legacy is well and truly tied to Helene!

Lyrically the song describes Roch’s short term affair with a flight attendant called Hélène, and poetically recounts the beautiful memories they share, and dreads the upcoming separation and dissolution of the relationship. I hadn’t even noticed how beautifully written a lot of lyrics were in French until I heard the English version Roch tried to break through in America with. The quietly lonely opening lines “Seul sur le sable, Les yeux dans l'eau, Mon rève était trop beau.” (Alone on the sand, staring at the sea, this dream was too beautiful) truly paints an amazing picture, and though the English version gives it a good crack with “Two hundred miles from my home, A million miles from you, Living without you on my own” - it all truly sounds better in French.

Fascinatingly Roch’s first passion was for Ice Hockey, and planned on becoming a professional Ice Hockey Player until an injury put an end to that dream and he turned to music. (Are you familiar with Roch Voisine, and is he some kind of national treasure in Canada @ohnostalgia and @iheartpoptarts?)

Here’s what PopJustice had to say about this one! Funnily - you will find that despite a fairly low rank, Roch was quite divisive. 10 of us (half the voters) gave him a score over 8 and the other half were either ambivalent or hated the experience. Par for the course that half the voting public can give a score of 8+ and the song can still find itself in the bottom 10, hey? Wait for the other upcoming surprises!

@jtm (9.3) responds to this like the French public pretty much did! - This is quite beautiful. @Filippa (5) channels the Austrian public perfectly since they never gave Roch any hits - It’s not bad, but it’s not really good either. @WowWowWowWow (5) shocks me in not stanning Roch for his portfolio alone - A little too sugary sweet for my taste.

@Eric (8) picks up on how beautifully emotive Roch’s delivery is - Gorgeously soulful. @Epic Chocolat (8) reiterates just how the French public responded - A memorable debut. @DominoDancing (6.5) is too old for this! - Cute, but rather schmaltzy. @daninternational (2) has words that might actually come from Ana Raquel too! - What a comedown after Vamos a la playa. Ennuyeuzzzzz

@pop3blow2 (8.7) - is totally here for some Roch Hard Times! Dddd - A nice little song that gives me 90s U.S. country vibes. @Phonetics Girl (5.9) does not stan the Quebecois accent! -: Him missing his articles shouldn't bother me as much as it does. @MilesAngel (5.5) points out Country isn’t for everyone! - This is pleasant but a bit bland and feels too 'country' for me. @berserkboi (10) succinctly sums up my essay! - I know the English parts are not as strong as the French parts but the effect this gorgeous melody has is undeniable. And Roch was the definition of a hunk back in the day!​

Mr Voisine in concert - beautiful! Listen to that crowd go wild when the opening chords kick in!


A recent re-recording with Coeur De Pirate for @soratami


The English version with a Berserky Queen!


A duet with Celine - Canadian excellence?
 
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Hello again! Yes it's me again. But will I be back with Sin With Sebastian, some of you have been calling for a while now?















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NO!

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Helen Schneider – Rock 'n' Roll Gypsy
Picked By:
@Filippa
Credentials: Gold in Germany, #1 in Switzerland, #6 in Germany
Average Score: 6.2955
Highest Score: 9 @saviodxl
Lowest Score: 1 @jtm

Native US-American Helen Schneider whose grandparents immigrated from Russia studied classical piano and started her career with a bluesband in the United States. Only when she came to Germany in 1978 her career took off. She came to fame as a live act and was the first western act to give a concert in East-Berlin. Rock ‘n’ Roll Gypsy would stay her first and only single success. She changed to theatre/musical later, got some critical acclaim for her work and is now teaching at a stage school in Hamburg.

The song is a cover of “Rock’n’Roll Outlaw” by Australian (hard) rock band Rose Tattoo (I had to invite Australia in, they are participating @Eurovision Song Contest, so they belong to Europe somehow). I do like Helen’s voice; she definitely can sing, and the exceptional guitar player added subtle power to the song. I love how your comments vary from terrible to excellent. And I guess you are all right. It’s an outstanding song in many ways. But I’m sure if she had pursued this rock career, she could have delivered excellent PJRetro material.


What did PopJustice think?

@jtm (1) Wow, this is just terrible

@DominoDancing (4.5) Thought there was a Helge Schneider song on this list for a second. Too bad there wasn't. This faux Americana does not do much for me.

@saviodxl (9) Oh my god why has no one showed me this punk-rock-disco excellence until now?

@pop3blow2 (8.5) A solid little rocker, that is mixed pretty badly.

@Maki (5) I'm not a fan of this type of rock and the song just goes nowhere. Her vocals feel too forced and it doesn't sound appealing, either. Nice production, though.

@daninternational (7) shades of Rocky Horror here, which is never a bad thing!

@WowWowWowWow (6) I want those 4 minutes of my life back.

@Epic Chocolat (6.2) I appreciate the riot grrrl energy.

@Filippa (5) I think this kind of rock songs were very en vogue in the 80s, but I’m not so sure today.

@MilesAngel (8) A very cool rock song. I especially love the guitar and drums. The vocals are full of attitude. It reminds me of Fleetwood Mac.

@berserkboi (7.3) Quirky Pop Rock realness, but I don’t hate!


Rock ‘N’ Roll Gypsy somehow jazzy


Shadows of the Night


Udo Lindenberg & Helen Schneider – Baby, wenn ich down bin


Evita: Don’t Cry For Me Argentina


A very interesting interpretation of “Sah ein Knab ein Röslein stehen“ (lyrics: Goethe, music: Schubert)

She sings it excellently, but she definitely does not know what she is singing about. It’s about a boy who “breaks” a rose although she tries to fight back. There are two interpretations: Goethe talking about sexual abuse or about leaving his lover and breaking her due to lovesickness (more plausible because he was talking about a love interest).
 
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Not too sad about this one leaving at this point. But while going through the other videos @Filippa posted, I realized that I knew Shadows of the Night from Pat Benatar, went to the songs Wikipedia page, and there I found this sentence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_the_Night said:
The song was released as a single by Helen Schneider in 1981 as well as on her album Schneider with the Kick. According to Byron, Schneider's version went 5 times Platinum in Germany and the Benelux countries.[2]
So it might be that Helen Schneider actually had a second big hit! Just strange then that Helen Schneider's discography page on Wikipedia doesn't list any chart data for Shadows of the Night.
 
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So it might be that Helen Schneider actually had a second big hit! Just strange then that Helen Schneider's discography page on Wikipedia doesn't list any chart data for Shadows of the Night.
I don't believe that this is true. To get 5 x platinum in Germany at this time she must have sold 2.5 million copies. That's not possible without charting. But I like the song better than Rock'n'Roll Gypsy.
 
I don't believe that this is true. To get 5 x platinum in Germany at this time she must have sold 2.5 million copies. That's not possible without charting. But I like the song better than Rock'n'Roll Gypsy.
You're right, it does sound like bullshit, that would be a crazy amount of sales. https://www.chartsurfer.de/artist/helen-schneider/songs-fune.html also doesn't list the song (don't know about the reliability of the site either though).
 
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Let’s talk about Eurodance! Shall we?

You could say this genre was born in the late 80s in central Europe, especially in Germany where DJs and producers were looking for a more radio friendly sound for their club music.

Snap! – "The Power" and “Rhythm Is a Dancer” helped to spread the genre through whole Europe. The genre had its first significant hits. The mixture of male rap parts and soulful vocal parts of a female singer underlaid by a techno-heavy beat was quickly adapted by other producers and applied to other songs. Eurodance was born. Other huge Eurodance acts were La Bouche, Magic Affair, Culture Beat or 2 Unlimited. It dominated the charts until the mid of 90s and then it began to decline. In the late 90s music gradually changed again and others took over. The last hits of Eurodance came with Eiffel 65 and ATC. By the beginning of the noughties Eurodance was (thankfully) gone.











PopJustice decided to eliminate two representatives of this genre one after the other. Let's have the first today and you can think about who will get the boot tomorrow.
 
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So a Eurodance song, could it be "Shut Up (and Sleep with Me)?








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Yes!
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Sin With Sebastian – Shut Up (and Sleep with Me)

Picked By: @Filippa
Credentials: Gold in Germany and Austria (+ 300.00 copies), #1 in Austria, Poland, Spain, Finland, Lithuania and Mexico,#2 in Belgium (Flanders) #3 in Sweden and The Netherlands, #4 in Germany and #6 in Switzerland
Average Score: 6.3932
Highest Score: 10 @Eric, @Ana Raquel
Lowest Score: 0 @Phonetics Girl, @If You Go

A day in a studio was given to Sebastian Roth as a present by a friend. He used this time to record this song. It should take three years until he got a deal with a record company. The song got reworked and with the help of the video and Sebastian’s androgyne appearance it became a hit. The female opera singer is Donna Lynn Bowers by the way.

Musikexpress puts it this way (April, 2020):
Pro
A queer one-hit wonder that made gay desire and gay sexuality visible in a brightly colored aesthetic. Emancipatory Euro trash, which also makes you think longingly of the candy world of the early VIVA years.
Contra
Pop like an exploded circus clown - compared to this musical crime against humanity, Right Said Fred still seem like real intellectuals. “Shut Up (And Sleep With Me)” is fatigue in fast motion: You still hum along with the first chorus, but at the latest with the third you want to pass out.


Sebastian is still doing music until today, but he didn’t have any other hit.


What did PopJustice think?

@Eric (10) Exactly the kind of silliness and bubblegum beats that I love

@Ana Raquel (10) A contender for my 11. A dance classicccccc!!!!!!

@Phonetics Girl (0) https://www.loveisrespect.org/resources/what-is-sexual-coercion/

@Filippa (6) I love these operatic vocals.

@Epic Chocolat (9) Fun.

@MilesAngel (6.5) I like the beat, arpeggio piano and the 'you're young, you're free' moment but the chorus gets a bit draining after a while.

@TéléDex (7.25) Only rating it higher than 7 just because it’s catchy, though that said, it’s quite repetitive.

@Maki (3) This is awful and I was tempted to give it a 0, but I don't hate all parts of the song, so it got a few points for that. Those vocals, oh dear... consider this score generous.

@DominoDancing (7) Horrible (male) vocals even for the low standards of mid-90s Eurodance, and the production is so cheap I can barely believe a Humpe was involved in it. The unapologetic homosexuality on display here is iconic though.

@saviodxl (7.2) What a direct approach, eh?

@WowWowWowWow (7) I appreciate the honesty I guess?

@daninternational (9) Another vaguely familiar one... from god knows where. It's fun, but I'm going to be singing this all day now

@Penguin (3.2) This is very not good but I don’t completely hate it, against all odds.

@berserkboi (8.4) I used to stan this song so much, and I mostly still do it seems!

@jtm (7.2) Somehow I forgot about this and / or confused it with Sweet Harmony.


Shut Up and Sleep with Me:


Golden Boy


Put It On (from his first album, but rerecorded in 2019)


Boys and Girls (2020)
 
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I'm an unapologetic lover of Eurodance, but Sin With Sebastian is not a great example of the genre, although I do like elements. But I would say that Eurodance isn't completely dead. I can hear its influence in many songs produced over the past few years.
Eurodance has as every genre very good songs and very bad songs ... There are many songs I really like, but in the 90s we got flooded with these songs, so it really was a relief when they finally stopped.
 
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