The 80s-90s Lost Classics Rate - Goodbye Wes! :'-(
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Carrapicho - Tic Tic Tac
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials: #1 France (3 Weeks), 29 Weeks On Chart, First Song To Be Certified DIAMOND in France, 98th Best Selling Single Of All Time In France, 1000000 Units SOLD, 2nd Best Selling SIngle of 1996 in France, #2 Belgium, Austria, #3 Spain, #2 Song Of The Year 1996 in Mauritius (not that this one matters much ddd)
Average Score: 7.2568
@TéléDex (5) brings me a title I am not familiar with, nor can I find the track in question, feel free to link when you get a chance, I’d love to know a song I’d give points to! - Nothing that is extraordinary, unlike Carmen, which I’m glad (to assume) that @berserkboi would give that song points. The melody was just loopy here.
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This song was vetoed last year.
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I get it now - the titles are very similar! Yes - that would definitely have gotten points from me if it had passed then!
(I kept thinking Carrapicho had a song named Carmen and just could not find it anywhere dd)
I've just realised that this was my commentary for Blumchen's Herz an Herz, which is the song just above Carrapicho on the list. My comments are Tic Tic Tac are below (and they're rubbish) -
This is a bit repetitive which I get is the point, but it's better to dance to then just listen to.
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My apologies for those being extracted wrong! Let me fix the Elimination post now!
No need to apologise. The thing that put me onto it was that there are no 'bleepy synths' in Tic Tic Tac!
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I hate these results I have to sue someone
Sadly for me Bruel is annulé. I really love Alors Regarde, the album, probably know it by heart.
I always think about this version:
Sophie Favier - Il me tape sur les nerfs...
Mon Ange could have been an 11 from me, that's I much I love that song, the only one I know from her besides Hasta siempre.
I also know she used to be in a relationship with Axel Bauer. My top 3:
Axel Bauer - Cargo
Eteins la lumière
Personne n'est parfait
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Tonight one of my choices sadly leaves us. Far too early if you ask me!
And I hear "Oh no not any of those lovely Austrian / German / Swiss songs again"
or "Oh no please none of these absolutely gorgeous Italian ballads!"
or "Ha, which international act has to go now?"
Oh none of these statements above reflects your opinion? Then I really have to disappoint you.
But that's nothing in comparison how disappointed @berserkboi and myself are. One of the only three songs which we both rated exactly the same: 10 points! And you throw it out like that?
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Jean-Jacques Goldman
Goldman / Jones - Je te donne
Picked By: @Filippa
Credentials: Platinum in France, #1 in France (about 1.000.000 units sold)
Average Score: 7.2614
Highest Score: 10 @berserkboi, @Filippa
Lowest Score: 3.1 @saviodxl
Well, I guess, I don't need to tell you how popular Jean-Jacques Goldman is in France. To date, publications with Goldman participation have achieved silver, gold, platinum and diamond status more than 170 times in France alone. “Je te donne” is one of the best-selling singles of the 80s in France. And don't forget Celine Dion's D’eux album, written and produced by Goldman, is the world's most successful French-language album.
But let us focus on his collaboration with Michael Jones a bit, just because he is the second singer of "Je te donne" and no-one really knows him ...
Welsh Michael Jones went to France on vacation at the age 19 and never left again.
Jean-Jacques Goldman started his musical career as member of the band Taï Phong, a French progressive rockband, in 1975. Both met when Jones joined Taï Phong in 1977, Jones' job then was to replace Jean-Jacques Goldman on tour.
After Taï Phong disbanded in 1980 both were busy with different projects, but soon Michael Jones supported Jean-Jacques Goldman on tour and in 1985 they wrote this lovely song together (Michael Jones is credited for the English lyrics). In the 90s the “Fredericks Goldman Jones” trio was established and remained active until 1996. The members were Carole Fredericks (sister of Taj Mahal), Jean-Jacque Goldman and Michael Jones and they released two successful albums together. Despite the prominence of Jean-Jacques Goldman all three were involved as equal partners in the group. And they say that all three remained close friends ‘till today. At least they continued to perform on special concerts together.
I learned to my surprise that “Je te donne” isn’t meant as a love song in the traditional meaning. The idea to this song was born as reaction to the growing popularity of the “Front national”, the right-wing movement in France, in the 80s. The two guys intended to highlight the benefits and the importance of multiculturalism and to respect the differences between people.
When I realised that @berserkboi hadn't Jean-Jacques Goldman on his list of suggestions I was very quick to nominate this song because it's actually one of my favourite French songs ever. This song makes me smile every time I hear it because of the enthusiasm of both of the singers and the way it slowly starts and finally explodes into those feel-good vibes ... now that I know the meaning I love it even more.
What did PopJustice think?
@jtm (6.1) Nice enough
@Ezz (7) Love a good duet (if possibly a slightly odd pairing?)
@saviodxl (3.1) It's a Michael Bolton or Bryan Adams ballad, but in a foreign language. Just not my cup of tea, but hey, the single delusional women of the 80s and 90s probably loved it!
@DominoDancing (8) A male/male duet with a mixture of French and English? Not really something you come across often. Quite lovely, although the verses are better than the chorus.
@Filippa (10) I love this song. There is so much beauty, power and good feeling. I’m in 80s heaven.
@WowWowWowWow (7.5) When it picks up toward the end, that saved it for me from being one of my lower scores.
@daninternational (7) Michael Jones has to be a new low for 'pick an English name it sounds cooler'. The song is pleasant
@MilesAngel (7) I like this, almost like two songs in one. The first half has a light airy quality but the second half is a little more rocky.
@berserkboi (10) Jean-Jacques est un talent beyond our wildest dreams! You can thank Filippa for including one of his amazing songs, as to me he is so iconic I’d consider running a Singles Rate for him! Ddddd
Here's an acoustic version of Je te donne:
Taï Phong - Sister Jane
Jean-Jacque Goldman - Quand la musique est bonne
Jean-Jacque Goldman - La vie par procuration
Fredericks Jones Goldman - A nos actes manqués
And I hear "Oh no not any of those lovely Austrian / German / Swiss songs again"
or "Oh no please none of these absolutely gorgeous Italian ballads!"
or "Ha, which international act has to go now?"
Oh none of these statements above reflects your opinion? Then I really have to disappoint you.
But that's nothing in comparison how disappointed @berserkboi and myself are. One of the only three songs which we both rated exactly the same: 10 points! And you throw it out like that?
#39
Jean-Jacques Goldman
Goldman / Jones - Je te donne
Picked By: @Filippa
Credentials: Platinum in France, #1 in France (about 1.000.000 units sold)
Average Score: 7.2614
Highest Score: 10 @berserkboi, @Filippa
Lowest Score: 3.1 @saviodxl
Well, I guess, I don't need to tell you how popular Jean-Jacques Goldman is in France. To date, publications with Goldman participation have achieved silver, gold, platinum and diamond status more than 170 times in France alone. “Je te donne” is one of the best-selling singles of the 80s in France. And don't forget Celine Dion's D’eux album, written and produced by Goldman, is the world's most successful French-language album.
But let us focus on his collaboration with Michael Jones a bit, just because he is the second singer of "Je te donne" and no-one really knows him ...
Welsh Michael Jones went to France on vacation at the age 19 and never left again.
Jean-Jacques Goldman started his musical career as member of the band Taï Phong, a French progressive rockband, in 1975. Both met when Jones joined Taï Phong in 1977, Jones' job then was to replace Jean-Jacques Goldman on tour.
After Taï Phong disbanded in 1980 both were busy with different projects, but soon Michael Jones supported Jean-Jacques Goldman on tour and in 1985 they wrote this lovely song together (Michael Jones is credited for the English lyrics). In the 90s the “Fredericks Goldman Jones” trio was established and remained active until 1996. The members were Carole Fredericks (sister of Taj Mahal), Jean-Jacque Goldman and Michael Jones and they released two successful albums together. Despite the prominence of Jean-Jacques Goldman all three were involved as equal partners in the group. And they say that all three remained close friends ‘till today. At least they continued to perform on special concerts together.
I learned to my surprise that “Je te donne” isn’t meant as a love song in the traditional meaning. The idea to this song was born as reaction to the growing popularity of the “Front national”, the right-wing movement in France, in the 80s. The two guys intended to highlight the benefits and the importance of multiculturalism and to respect the differences between people.
When I realised that @berserkboi hadn't Jean-Jacques Goldman on his list of suggestions I was very quick to nominate this song because it's actually one of my favourite French songs ever. This song makes me smile every time I hear it because of the enthusiasm of both of the singers and the way it slowly starts and finally explodes into those feel-good vibes ... now that I know the meaning I love it even more.
What did PopJustice think?
@jtm (6.1) Nice enough
@Ezz (7) Love a good duet (if possibly a slightly odd pairing?)
@saviodxl (3.1) It's a Michael Bolton or Bryan Adams ballad, but in a foreign language. Just not my cup of tea, but hey, the single delusional women of the 80s and 90s probably loved it!
@DominoDancing (8) A male/male duet with a mixture of French and English? Not really something you come across often. Quite lovely, although the verses are better than the chorus.
@Filippa (10) I love this song. There is so much beauty, power and good feeling. I’m in 80s heaven.
@WowWowWowWow (7.5) When it picks up toward the end, that saved it for me from being one of my lower scores.
@daninternational (7) Michael Jones has to be a new low for 'pick an English name it sounds cooler'. The song is pleasant
@MilesAngel (7) I like this, almost like two songs in one. The first half has a light airy quality but the second half is a little more rocky.
@berserkboi (10) Jean-Jacques est un talent beyond our wildest dreams! You can thank Filippa for including one of his amazing songs, as to me he is so iconic I’d consider running a Singles Rate for him! Ddddd
Here's an acoustic version of Je te donne:
Taï Phong - Sister Jane
Jean-Jacque Goldman - Quand la musique est bonne
Jean-Jacque Goldman - La vie par procuration
Fredericks Jones Goldman - A nos actes manqués
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As I mentioned in my commentary - I did not even consider nominating Jean-Jacques myself as I would not have known where to begin! His output is that strong, diverse, commercial bank and iconic - I automatically think Singles Rate at a bare minimum! Thanks so much to @Filippa for giving him a long overdue profile!
Here are some absolute highlights of his discography for me - all move me to tears!
Here are some absolute highlights of his discography for me - all move me to tears!
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Much like Michel Sardou - Jean-Jacques' discography has seen many covers and re-adaptations in different genres over the years!
@saviodxl - A Eurodance Version with Hot Men of Je Te Donne for you - a 10 for you, I am sure Ddd
(Their French was really awful at that point, they got much better by Quan Je Reve De Toi ddd)
@WowWowWowWow favourite and usually a killer of Dalida covers (not the good kind) - he fares okay here:
@londonrain - you may enjoy this Melgroove cover of a Jean-Jacques favourite!
@saviodxl - A Eurodance Version with Hot Men of Je Te Donne for you - a 10 for you, I am sure Ddd
(Their French was really awful at that point, they got much better by Quan Je Reve De Toi ddd)
@WowWowWowWow favourite and usually a killer of Dalida covers (not the good kind) - he fares okay here:
@londonrain - you may enjoy this Melgroove cover of a Jean-Jacques favourite!
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I personally find this comment off-putting, and may I say misogynistic.
Maybe it's for the 80s-90s "single delusional women" who don't speak french because it's a song with a rock beat about friendship and solidarity. I don't get it. What's the connection with women and more specifically single women? Sorry to sour the fun mood.
A song by JJG about a single woman, you may call her delusional I say she's just living her life:
La vie par procuration
[le sigh]
Maybe it's for the 80s-90s "single delusional women" who don't speak french because it's a song with a rock beat about friendship and solidarity. I don't get it. What's the connection with women and more specifically single women? Sorry to sour the fun mood.
A song by JJG about a single woman, you may call her delusional I say she's just living her life:
La vie par procuration
[le sigh]
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I'm sorry no-one tanked it like you did.
And don't forget his song about the disillusioned
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HAPPY 50TH BIRTHDAY DJ ÖTZI!!!!!
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I am back again, eliminating the last song not to receive any 10s!
#38
Elsa - T’en Va Pas
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials: #1 France (8 Weeks), 18 Weeks in the Top 10, 500000 Units SOLD, Certified GOLD by SNEP, World Record as Youngest Person To Top The French Chart (1986-1993), 133rd Best Selling Song Of All Time In France, Worldwide sales of 1300000 (from Elsa’s official site)
Average Score: 7.2659
Highest Score: 9.9 @berserkboi
Lowest Score: 4.5 @jtm
Our young little record breaker leaves us (a little prematurely in my opinion!) We discussed Elsa having a connection to Jordy many moons ago - and this was due to her world record achievement of being the youngest person (at the time) to top the French Chart being lost when Dur Dur D'être Bébé! reached the top. Elsa held the record for 7 years, not bad at all considering how these things can be exceeded very fast at times! T’en Va Pas is a song I had completely forgotten about when we were looking at music to nominate for the rate. In fact, much of Elsa’s career passed me by - I always knew her name but as she seemed to sing more mature themes than what my child self was after, I never explored much further.
Recently, listening to it as an adult (with memories of my parents’ separation) a few years after T’en Va Pas came out - the song hits very differently. The innocent wish of Elsa singing and asking her father not to leave took me back to feelings of wanting my parents together so my world wouldn’t change either. Looking back, I realise that as a child I never understood the sadness and potential loneliness my parents felt when they were no longer in love. Either decision they’d make whether they stayed together or not would have repercussions echoing that piano melody - and you can never go home again.
I guess this makes T’en Va Pas an oddity out of my selections - not quite a song I loved growing up, but very much one I came to understand much better later in life. It is fascinating how life experiences can really change the meaning of music for us all! Many unfamiliar with the lyrics (which is most of the participants since most do not speak French) probably do not realise how perfectly suited to Elsa’s innocent and quiet delivery those words are. In fact - it even took me a few replays to appreciate the experience like I eventually did - leading to the 9.9 score, which was initially lower.
T’en Va Pas started out as a tiny instrumental segment for the movie La Femme De Ma Vie (The Woman Of My Life) where Elsa played the teenage daughter (13 years old at the time) of the main character. In the movie, Elsa’s character plays a short portion of the melody on the piano leading to Romano Musumarra composing a whole song around the snippet and engaging Elsa to sing on the track. (Make sure you remember the name Musumarra, as it will appear again when we get to Ouragan).
The song ended up being massive for Elsa topping the French Charts and achieving the credentials above, and even leading to an English version. Following in the tradition of La Plus Belle Pour Aller Danser - the song would end up becoming known as far as Japan. This is first due to its use during a TV Commercial there for Jeans, and subsequently in anime Bleach and Tsukihime (hey @Ana Raquel!!). Argentina got in on the action in 2008 by using the song in an Impulse advert there, and @Island fave Priscilla also giving it a go in the mid-00s.
With this as a launching pad, Elsa went on to have great success with the follow-up single Quelque Chose Dans Mon Coeur as well, and a very successful first album (certified DOUBLE PLATINUM in France). The rest of her output never really reached the same sort of sales figures but she continues to have a successful career across her singing and her acting career.
@berserkboi (9.9) (HA!) concisely says what I say ddd - Quite a heartbreaking song in depicting a divorce/separation through the eyes of the child of the relationship, Elsa definitely rises to the challenge! @Epic Chocolat (9) will hopefully greet us with many highlights from Elsa as I might be a bit lacking in this - A fine debut. Nice key change, lower that's original. @DominoDancing (8) may need to watch the Parent Movie - it may add that final spice needed - Pleasant song. And while I don't need all singers to have huge diva voices, I can't help but think something a little less thin could have added another .5 points or so.
@WowWowWowWow (7) does not endorse long suffering emotion from teenagers! - Pleasant jam.. but seriously Elsa, if you don't hurry this up, j'y vais for reals. This song is like 3 times longer than it needed to be. @daninternational (6) makes me want to check out this song I have no idea about - Was hoping for a cover of the Eurovision classic. Her voice is annoying to me.. I guess it's cos she's a child. @Phonetics Girl (6) does not like relatable vocals, it would seem... - a cute girl, but if you don't sing like Christina Aguilera at 11, then what's the point of starting a career so soon?
@pop3blow2 (9) is a lot more generous than I was when I found things tinny on his current M2M Rate, soz about that! - Pretty intro. The overall production is maybe a bit, ummm tinny? in places, but I’ll chalk this up as a find. @Ezz (8) still has not lived down his experience with Hou! La Menteuse! Dddd - This is sweet and a nice change in pace from the frantic songs that came before (alphabetically)
The final two commentators are not fans, though @MilesAngel (6) recognises a familiar face in the Music Video (which features scenes from La Femme De Ma Vie) - This is nice enough but a bit 'wishy-washy.' Gets props for Jane Birkin in the video. @jtm (4.5) might represent the Voting Faction at large actually... - This doesn‘t click for me at all.
English Version
Her follow-up and #2 Smasher in France
For years, my favourite moment from Elsa has been her part in this cover of Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore - her voice by then has matured into this clear and crisp tone I can never get enough of! You'll recognise Miss Segara who we will talk about soon, and Liane Foly who has a very RETRO eligible Discography y'all!!
#38
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials: #1 France (8 Weeks), 18 Weeks in the Top 10, 500000 Units SOLD, Certified GOLD by SNEP, World Record as Youngest Person To Top The French Chart (1986-1993), 133rd Best Selling Song Of All Time In France, Worldwide sales of 1300000 (from Elsa’s official site)
Average Score: 7.2659
Highest Score: 9.9 @berserkboi
Lowest Score: 4.5 @jtm
Our young little record breaker leaves us (a little prematurely in my opinion!) We discussed Elsa having a connection to Jordy many moons ago - and this was due to her world record achievement of being the youngest person (at the time) to top the French Chart being lost when Dur Dur D'être Bébé! reached the top. Elsa held the record for 7 years, not bad at all considering how these things can be exceeded very fast at times! T’en Va Pas is a song I had completely forgotten about when we were looking at music to nominate for the rate. In fact, much of Elsa’s career passed me by - I always knew her name but as she seemed to sing more mature themes than what my child self was after, I never explored much further.
Recently, listening to it as an adult (with memories of my parents’ separation) a few years after T’en Va Pas came out - the song hits very differently. The innocent wish of Elsa singing and asking her father not to leave took me back to feelings of wanting my parents together so my world wouldn’t change either. Looking back, I realise that as a child I never understood the sadness and potential loneliness my parents felt when they were no longer in love. Either decision they’d make whether they stayed together or not would have repercussions echoing that piano melody - and you can never go home again.
I guess this makes T’en Va Pas an oddity out of my selections - not quite a song I loved growing up, but very much one I came to understand much better later in life. It is fascinating how life experiences can really change the meaning of music for us all! Many unfamiliar with the lyrics (which is most of the participants since most do not speak French) probably do not realise how perfectly suited to Elsa’s innocent and quiet delivery those words are. In fact - it even took me a few replays to appreciate the experience like I eventually did - leading to the 9.9 score, which was initially lower.
T’en Va Pas started out as a tiny instrumental segment for the movie La Femme De Ma Vie (The Woman Of My Life) where Elsa played the teenage daughter (13 years old at the time) of the main character. In the movie, Elsa’s character plays a short portion of the melody on the piano leading to Romano Musumarra composing a whole song around the snippet and engaging Elsa to sing on the track. (Make sure you remember the name Musumarra, as it will appear again when we get to Ouragan).
The song ended up being massive for Elsa topping the French Charts and achieving the credentials above, and even leading to an English version. Following in the tradition of La Plus Belle Pour Aller Danser - the song would end up becoming known as far as Japan. This is first due to its use during a TV Commercial there for Jeans, and subsequently in anime Bleach and Tsukihime (hey @Ana Raquel!!). Argentina got in on the action in 2008 by using the song in an Impulse advert there, and @Island fave Priscilla also giving it a go in the mid-00s.
With this as a launching pad, Elsa went on to have great success with the follow-up single Quelque Chose Dans Mon Coeur as well, and a very successful first album (certified DOUBLE PLATINUM in France). The rest of her output never really reached the same sort of sales figures but she continues to have a successful career across her singing and her acting career.
@berserkboi (9.9) (HA!) concisely says what I say ddd - Quite a heartbreaking song in depicting a divorce/separation through the eyes of the child of the relationship, Elsa definitely rises to the challenge! @Epic Chocolat (9) will hopefully greet us with many highlights from Elsa as I might be a bit lacking in this - A fine debut. Nice key change, lower that's original. @DominoDancing (8) may need to watch the Parent Movie - it may add that final spice needed - Pleasant song. And while I don't need all singers to have huge diva voices, I can't help but think something a little less thin could have added another .5 points or so.
@WowWowWowWow (7) does not endorse long suffering emotion from teenagers! - Pleasant jam.. but seriously Elsa, if you don't hurry this up, j'y vais for reals. This song is like 3 times longer than it needed to be. @daninternational (6) makes me want to check out this song I have no idea about - Was hoping for a cover of the Eurovision classic. Her voice is annoying to me.. I guess it's cos she's a child. @Phonetics Girl (6) does not like relatable vocals, it would seem... - a cute girl, but if you don't sing like Christina Aguilera at 11, then what's the point of starting a career so soon?
@pop3blow2 (9) is a lot more generous than I was when I found things tinny on his current M2M Rate, soz about that! - Pretty intro. The overall production is maybe a bit, ummm tinny? in places, but I’ll chalk this up as a find. @Ezz (8) still has not lived down his experience with Hou! La Menteuse! Dddd - This is sweet and a nice change in pace from the frantic songs that came before (alphabetically)
The final two commentators are not fans, though @MilesAngel (6) recognises a familiar face in the Music Video (which features scenes from La Femme De Ma Vie) - This is nice enough but a bit 'wishy-washy.' Gets props for Jane Birkin in the video. @jtm (4.5) might represent the Voting Faction at large actually... - This doesn‘t click for me at all.
English Version
Her follow-up and #2 Smasher in France
For years, my favourite moment from Elsa has been her part in this cover of Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore - her voice by then has matured into this clear and crisp tone I can never get enough of! You'll recognise Miss Segara who we will talk about soon, and Liane Foly who has a very RETRO eligible Discography y'all!!