The 80s-90s Lost Classics Rate - Goodbye Wes! :'-(

In retrospect it is really an absolute embarrassment how German society scandalized the "revelations" about Lee's past and how little empathy there was for them, including Ricky, who was cracking from the pressure of being in a pop group as a teenager. I cannot say that I was a huge fan of their music, but the way the tabloids and German "comedy shows" tore into them was absolutely inhuman. And I was a part of that in that I also laughed at Anke Engelke doing her "best" Ricky impersonation. But Anke just recently did an interview where she insisted it was not mean spirited, and that's just not true.
 
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This was an incredibly revealing read @Filippa - I thank you immensely for the research you’ve put into this. It makes me wonder how many female stars I have dismissed growing up reading lies/exaggerations about them in the papers (as our only source of news back then), and how many men I may have glossed over their behaviour as their ugliest moments were hidden from us.

An example that comes to mind much later in life for me was Claude François, whose music I’ve loved for years growing up but reading up on him now - his treatment of France Gall and lots of his partners being barely of age back in the day, I cannot listen to his music with the same love anymore (and why you’ve yet to see me try him in Retro).

Conversely, Sheila and Dalida were treated so poorly in the press as they persevered in their career due to ageism (aimed only at women, quelle surprise!!) when the media glossed over actual bad behaviour from the men!

Such a shame to hear Tic Tac Toe has this treatment from the press to contend with. I hope each member is as happy as they can be today!
 
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Such a shame to hear Tic Tac Toe has this treatment from the press to contend with. I hope each member is as happy as they can be today!

Well Jazzy seemed to be the one who loved the publicity best. She took part in every show you can imagine, but is now married in France and tries to open up her own business.

Ricky, who is according to wiki the niece of Dr. Alban, caught up a high-school graduation after the band broke up. She studied to become a teacher, but she had to drop out because of depression (sadly again). She has kids now and studies to become an occupational therapist.

I don't know anything about Lee, as she disappeared after an interview in 2009. She was then occupied as a cashier at a local zoo, a job she seemed to like. Neither Jazzy nor Ricky had any contact with her since then, she is said to be in the UK somewhere.
 
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Well, it's me again tonight!











































And it's time for a woman to leave!

































You know by now that the French artists aren't safe just because it's my turn. So has a French lady to go?











































I can tell you that someone will lose their first 10 and @Sprockrooster is safe tonight.




























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Alice - Per Elisa

Picked By: @Filippa
Credentials: #1 in Italy, #4 in Austria, #5 in Switzerland (about 500.000 units)
Average Score: 7.3341
Highest Score: 10 @Phonetics Girl, @MilesAngel
Lowest Score: 5.3 @jtm

Italian pop star Alice was born as Carla Bissi in Forli, Italy in 1954. She started as piano-playing singer-songwriter as early as in 1971 but it took her 10 years to finally get recognition. “Per Elisa” finally pushed her into the charts and her participation in Sanremo was almost a must. For this song Alice teamed up with Franco Battiato, one of Italy’s most renowned sing-songwriters and his longtime co-writer, classical pianist Giusto Pio and together they sensed that it was time to send something quite different, not the typical sentimental Italian ballad to Sanremo, but still it was a surprise that it won.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the song starts with a sung sample of Beethoven’s “Für Elise” and this sample is repeated one more time later in the song but then instrumental. The song lives from Alice’s vocal strength and exceptional range. Alice is technically a contralto but partly sings in falsetto and thus covers nearly four octaves.

Beethoven’s "Für Elise" is dedicated to a woman called Elise and the world still speculates who this Elise was. But they all look for a woman with whom Beethoven was in love.

Alice’s "Per Elisa" isn’t a love song, it’s a rather furious lament of a betrayed woman replaced by another one under who’s spell the ex-lover completely seems to be. So, the new relationship of her ex is a somewhat unhealthy, addictive relationship. Yet "Per Elisa" is written and interpreted precisely during the heroin abuse epidemic that swept across Europe in the 1980s. Elisa could be a code for heroin and so it could mean that the woman lost her lover to a drug-addiction. But Alice has always rejected this interpretation.

But back to the Beethoven sample. The song starts with that sample and ends with “ma noi un tempo ci amavamo” (but we once loved each other), before the chorus is repeated the last time. So, to me the Beethoven sample could be the musical description of this love they once had …


At the beginnings of the 80s Alice had a string of hit singles like “Una notte speciale” or “Zu nah am Feuer” which charted mostly in continental Europe, Scandinavia and Japan. In 1984 she represented Italy in the Eurovision Song Contest with “I treni di Tozeur”, a duet with Franco Battione. But in the end Alice wasn’t satisfied with being a commercially oriented Mediterranean pop star, so she tried to explore more musical genres from electronics to contemporary jazz and folk. She is a very respected artist until today but couldn’t repeat the success of the early 80s.


What did PopJustice think?

@berserkboi (9.2): A discovery to begin the playlist for, for me! We stan a quality one at that!

@pop3blow2 (8.8): Oooh a nice discovery out of the gate. I like the drama & slightly cheesy, but effective synths.

@Epic Chocolat (6): It gets point for the unusual sound.

@TéléDex (7): Sounds a bit like melodic key-bashing. Catchy verses, not sure about the chorus.

@daninternational (6.5): Being a Eurovision fan means I've experienced a lot of this kind of female Italian voice. It can go either way for me, as illustrated by Mia Martini's (RIP) amazing Libera vs her horribly overrated Rapsodia. This one is more of the latter, sadly

@WowWowWowWow (6): I am sorry if this is someone's 11. But it just doesn't do anything for me or reach the same levels of the other songs. Maybe it would grow on me over time?

@Filippa (7): I love her voice. Those Italian ladies they knew how to rock!

@jtm (5.3): The award for most passionate performance to a totally unimpressed crowd goes to this. I thought this was going to be a Beethoven cover but apparently not.

@Ezz (7): Reminds me of Fleetwood Mac somehow

@DominoDancing (8): First song of the rate, and already a new discovery for me! We're off to a good start!

@MilesAngel (10): Great discovery for me. I love Alice's voice and she really sells the lyrics so you get a sense of what they mean without needing to understand them all. The synths are amazing and I hum the chorus to myself quite often.

@saviodxl (5.7): I misread "Poor Elisa" at first

Per Elisa


Una notte speciale


Alice & Franco Battiato - I treni di Tozeur


Alice & Skye Edwards - Open Your Eyes


Alice & Stefan Waggershausen - Zu nah am Feuer
 
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I didn't catch the 'Für Elise' sung sample at first, but knowing now makes me glad I gave the song a 10, of which this is my first to leave. Alice gives a powerful performance, showing off her fantastic range, and the classic Italian 80's production is great. Thank you for fleshing out the meaning behind the song @Filippa because it gives me even more appreciation. I also enjoy 'Una Notte Speciale' and 'Open Your Eyes.'

'Per Elisa' has the highest 'Lowest Score' so far at 5.3.
 
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I really thought that one misogynistic song would be out fairly early but now its staying over some of my favourite discoveries of the rate. Hate it in here!
I certainly know which song you mean because I know your comments. And when the time comes (won't take too long anymore) I'm really interested in why you think it is misogynistic. Because I can't see it. But I might be blind because I've known it all my life ...
 
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I am here, so it’s a safe bet we are losing a man!



















































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A man yes, but not French!























































A French woman with an Italian man!


































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Andrea Bocelli Et Hélène Ségara - Vivo Per Lei (Je Vis Pour Elle)
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials:
#1 France (5 Weeks), 500000 Units SOLD, Certified PLATINUM by SNEP, #1 Belgium (5 Weeks), Certified PLATINUM, #1 Spain, #1 Switzerland
Average Score: 7.3477
Highest Score: 11 @Sprockrooster 10 @berserkboi
Lowest Score: 2 @saviodxl

It’s a shame a multi-lingual duet is not necessary all that enticing to PopJustice, as not long after losing Je Te Donne - the beauty that is ‘’Vivo Per Lei’ goes. Many moons ago - this was a song I tried to get into @londonrain’s first hosting gig of a Song Contest (PJOPS 32) - which did not go my way at all. We shall move on ddd

Vivo Per Lei found itself here mostly because Con Te Partirò (Time To Say Goodbye) which I adore was disqualified from participating with its #2 Peak in the UK (don't you love how much like PJRetro this is?). I also love Vivo Per Lei, and it just had to feature so we could celebrate the man who brought an unparalleled appreciation of Opera Music to the world. Andrea Bocelli's 75 Million Record Sales Worldwide would be a massive achievement even for a Pop Act, but he did that with Opera! Let that sink in!

Andrea Bocelli’s voice is just pure magic? I have no other words for it - the control of his tone hitting the notes he does; the passion, emotion and pain expressed vocally in lyrics I don’t understand a single word of - it's impossible for me to find the right words to describe. I’ll just continue to sob quietly in the corner instead!

Hélène Ségara is a wonderful counterpart to Bocelli here, giving a slightly subdued and sweet delivery against his gravitas - the contrast elevating both parts as a result. I could say the same across each version released since Andrea localised this one with multiple female vocalists depending on the market he was targeting (I will ink all the notable ones below). The Francophone version ended up the most commercially successful, and made the most sense to have on the playlist.

Despite thinking for years that Hélène Ségara was giving me my first taste of LGBT love in song during my youth, with the French parts I could understand translating to “I Live For Her” and recounting mundane ways in which someone touches your heart - the meaning behind the song instead goes further in highlighting the beauty of Romance Languages. I will quote directly from Wikipedia:

“Panceri and Bocelli's version of the song clearly evokes the blind tenor's attachment to music as the pillar and love of his life: "I live for her".

The English-speaking listener is challenged to uncover whom the person referred to by lei ("her") is. Italian, and other Romance Languages routinely assign gender to all their nouns, whereas English, perhaps with the exception of the use of she or her to refer to ships or bad weather, never uses the gender pronouns to replace nouns that refer to inanimate objects. On first glance it appears the song refers to a woman, perhaps a lover, as the first verse is sung by Bocelli. The female voice in the second verse suggests that the person is somebody who is respected and loved by both men and women. The lyrics progress to say that "she" is always the protagonist and if there is another life, the singers would devote their lives to her again. Eventually, Bocelli sings, vivo per lei, la musica, "I live for her, music", revealing that the true meaning of the song is about music and how musicians devote their lives to music.[citation needed]

The beauty of the Romance language versions is that they retain their ambiguity due to the possibility that the feminine pronoun may refer to a woman or a girl, or any inanimate object or word that has the feminine gender. The love of a woman thus becomes a true metaphor for Bocelli's love of music.”


@jtm (8) has modern concerns for Monsieur Bocelli - Ok but this is quite the classic isn‘t it. I can‘t stand Bocelli for the things he did with Sheeran and that other song from maybe 20 years ago, but this here is good. @WowWowWowWow (8) gives me a version I finally listened to, and didn’t hate at first until the screechy English parts began ddd - Oh no. Another song I already knew .... not in this version but in a horrible club remake by Angelo Venuto and Reina () I know this surprises absolutely no one.

@Filippa (5) makes my jay drop! - Beautifully sung but I wasn’t so sorry when they finally finished. @Epic Chocolat (9) is into this duo! - Great chemistry, fine vocals. @TéléDex (8.5) needn’t worry as I’ve got him covered with some Helene picks! - I think it’s good that Andrea sounds a bit more poppy than overly operatic and generic here. (Not me hating opera at all, just not very thrilled.) Not the best song, I think, but it happily made me thought about The Prayer at least. I only know Helene for lodging herself into a Elisabeth Anniversary performance, one Christmas Day, by the way.

@DominoDancing (6) does not find anything special here - Eh. Well sung of course, if you're into the quasi-operatic style in pop music, but there's a million ballads like this. @saviodxl (2) is wrong! Ana gave this a whole full point more than him! Ddd - Too mellow for me. And I'm pretty sure @Ana Raquel score will be lower.

@pop3blow2 (8.5)- is about to announce their next Rate Idea!! - I will just always have a soft spot for Andrea Bocelli. @daninternational (7.5) is surprisingly here for this Male Vocal Ballad! - From the first artist, I was expecting to hate this, but it's not too overblown, all the better

@berserkboi (10) stands by this (though luckily Epic found the correct Spotify link for me eventually) - Stunning, no matter who is featured with Andrea! Apologies for the lack of Helene Segara on the Spotify Playlist! @Ezz (8) is another bopper who can get into this ballad! - I love a cheesy earnest ballad. @MilesAngel (6.5) enjoys this as best they can - This is quite pretty but this type of duet is never going to excite me.

@Sprockrooster (11) gets to the root of why this track is here, and really explains his connection to the song better than I could any track here. The power of music indeed! I am very sorry our little rate is hurting you so! - The clash of pop and classical is really an underrated genre. This song in any version (but with Andrea) is moving me deeply. I only need those opening piano plays to know I am in for a moment of deep thought, reflection and memories. The song exudes nostalgia while also creating new moments. This was played at the funeral of a dear friend of my mother I knew well and I can't help but feel grateful for thinking of her due to this song.







 
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Right, so obviously we cannot eliminate Monsieur Bocelli without highlighting a few more classics of his!


- 12 Million Copies Sold Worldwide
- #1 Belgium, France, Austria, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland
- Best Selling Single Of All Time In Germany & Belgium







(This is more of a PopJustice Classic)
 
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Now it is time for Hélène Ségara!


- Her biggest solo hit!


- My favourite of her solo singles, French music really had a boner for Ireland for a while there! I endorse ddd


- Did I mention she is HUGE Dalida fan and often covers her music in concert? Impeccable taste!!


- For good measure!

 

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