The 80s-90s Lost Classics Rate - Goodbye Wes! :'-(

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Actually I've realised we have a tie between Nek and the song that's leaving now.







































So which is the second song that leaves us at #32?






















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Well yes it's the last Austrian song that remained in the contest.






















#32

Falco - Jeanny
Picked By:
@Filippa
Credentials: Gold in Germany and The Netherlands, #1 in Austria, Germany, Switzerland,The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, #2 in Belgium, #5 in Japan (about 500.000 units sold)
Average Score: 7.4273
Highest Score: 10 @daninternational, @Filippa, @DominoDancing, @Remorque
Lowest Score: 2 @Ezz

Falco. What a legend. At least in Austria.

Jeanny. An absolute classic. The song was scandalized in Germany, but that added to the success. Some sources claim that the song sold about 2.5 million units the year it was released …

At first you have to know that Falco is - like Conchita - a stage persona. Johann (“Hans”) Hölzl - the real guy - was the one surviving kid of triplets, his musical talent showed early, at the age of five he was attested to have a perfect pitch. And he seemed to be a sensitive guy, at least his fellow students described him like that. Politically - like many artists - he was a socialist. He has asked the guy who tried to promote him in the US, if that what he does, isn’t stealing from black culture, so he thought about cultural appropriation back in the 80s. In the end he couldn’t do it, he cancelled the US tour because of something like a burn-out and couldn’t repeat the success of this album later. He didn’t cope well - he was alcohol and drug addicted. His relationships didn’t last and the girl he believed to be his daughter wasn’t his daughter biologically. He died in a car accident in the Dominican Republic. He had a relapse after being sober for some time …

Falco was a different matter. He developed a kind of high German which let him appear very arrogant and he definitely wanted to provoke. But certainly, the dividing line was difficult, and no-one could know where Hans ended, and Falco started …

The song is about a stalker who may or may not have murdered his victim before getting imprisoned. In Germany the song was criticized for glorifying violence. And many radio stations followed this call with not playing it. This might have added to the success of the song.

Falco was a lyrical genius; he had a way with words and how to pronounce them that you exactly get what he means. Listen to the first verse of Jeanny and you will know what is happening without any further explanation needed.

Jeanny komm, come on, steh auf, bitte, du wirst ganz nass. Es ist schon spät, komm. Wir müssen weg hier, raus aus dem Wald, verstehst du nicht? Wo ist dein Schuh, du hast ihn verloren, als ich dir den Weg zeigen musste …
Jeanny come on, come on, get up, please, you’re getting wet. It’s late, come on. We have to get away from here, out of the forest, don’t you understand? Where is your shoe, you have lost it, when I had to show you the way ….


The second verse shows us what triggered the culprit, it was a red lipstick. “Too much red on your lips”. And then the climax “Now I hear them. They come to fetch you. They won’t find you; no-one will find you, you are with me”.

It was the first song of a trilogy, the second “Coming Home” appeared on his next album. Falco himself talked about that it proved that Jeanny lived, but I don’t see it that way. You have to question what he says in interviews. Mostly it was very ironical and far away from the truth. He once said that he was glad that “der Schnee, auf dem wir alle talwärts fahren“ (Der Kommissar) could be interpreted in many ways, he himself had never thought about coke, no never ever …And so anything he said about Jeanny wasn’t what he really thought because he clearly wanted to make a strong statement by pretending to be the culprit. He was taken by surprise by the scandal that the song evoked in Germany and I think it was because they completely missed the point. He also said that the following parts will show that it’s Jeanny’s fault that she played him so that he went crazy. Here he hints at the part of the video where he is already imprisoned, and his crazy mind shows Jeanny making fun of him and laughing about him.

But if you listen to the second part and watch the video these are still the fantasies of a very ill man who is imprisoned because he is too ill / dangerous to be set free. He was addressing the problems we had then, people discussing if the victim of a sexual assault is to be blamed because of wearing too short skirts or maybe too red lipstick.

The most interesting detail to me is that the song is said to be inspired by Jack Unterweger, an Austrian-US serial killer. In the 70s he was sentenced to life-long prison for murdering a young woman in Austria. In prison he got a proper education and turned out to be a gifted writer. So, a campaign to get him pardoned by the leading Austrian (left winged) artists started. They believed that Jack Unterweger was a victim himself (because of his really bad childhood) and prison helped him to come to terms. Jeanny, the song and the video should have put further pressure on the authorities to free the man. But I’m not sure if this is true either. Because neither in the song nor in the video I can see anything that gives a positive prospect for this crazy guy.

Jack Unterweger started murdering women the moment he was set free again by the way. As he committed suicide the night after he was convicted of murdering nine women in Austria, in Czech Republic and in the United States, his conviction never got legally valid. I think that’s quite a problem in the Austrian legal system, because the relatives of the victims deserve certainty if the culprit lives or not.


What did PopJustice think?

@jtm (7): A classic!

@Epic Chocolat (8,2): Decent chorus, potent vocals, great performance, very dramatic.

@WowWowWowWow (6) My Amadeus was unrocked by this song to be honest.

@pop3blow2 (7.7): I’ve always wanted to like this more than I do. I appreciate it’s oddness & drama. It’s not bad, but just doesn’t connect with me, though.

@Filippa (10): This song is a masterpiece. There is this crazy stalker, this strong chorus and then this beautiful riff, instrumental melody which could represent Jeanny. A very haunting song.

@DominoDancing (10): Still the creepiest pop song ever, even 35 years later.

@saviodxl (8): Falco is not a one-hit-wonder? This rate has been very educational!

@Phonetics Girl (5.2) listened to the Polish version by Ich Troje and it was a scream. useful when you can't speak German and get warflashbacks to classes with annoying listening comprehension exercises cause the lector sounded like he was chewing on gum the entire time, though.

@Ezz (2): I'm sure this must have a fanbase somewhere

@daninternational (10) The problem with moving to Germany without much knowledge is that music is judged on a different level. The whole concept of this song is sickening, but after hearing it at karaoke the first time I realised how simple it is to sing, and so I started singing it. I find it a hard song to rate knowing the context, but for me personally it brings back positive memories and I'm rewarding that.

@TéléDex (9): So, so wrong, but how can anybody dislike music for dramatic effect?

@MilesAngel (4) I know this is supposed to be creepy but I don't enjoy listening. Although the chorus is good.

@berserkboi (9.2) This is a lot more atmospheric and immersive than I was expecting, I kinda stan?


Jeanny


Rock Me Amadeus (the only German language song which peaked at #1 in the US)



Der Kommissar



Junge Römer



Out oft he Dark

This song was released posthumously, it’s about his addiction of alcohol and drugs. When it was released, people thought Falco has announced his death and that the accident was really a suicide (Muss ich denn sterben, um zu leben - Do I have to die, to live). But that’s not very likely because he already performed the song live a year before he died.
 
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I am not actually, as PopJustice commits its biggest crime yet!
































#31

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Zouk Machine - Maldòn
Picked By: Berserkboi
Credentials:
#1 France (9 Weeks), 720000 Units SOLD, Certified GOLD by SNEP, #1 Best Selling Single of 1990 In France, #9 Holland
Average Score: 7.4954
Highest Score: 10 @berserkboi @Remorque @Ana Raquel
Lowest Score: 4 @Penguin

Au revoir to my childhood Creole bop! Overall, poor Maldòn did not perform quite as well as I had hoped, though when you consider that at one point during voting - this little song almost did not make the Top 40, I will take this finish as a win despite wishing for Top 20!

Between Zouk Machine, La Compagnie Creole and a certain Mauritian we will get to #soon - I feel I have given you all a pretty good indication of the sort of music that appealed to Mauritius in the 80s-90s. These gorgeous “zouk” sounds are also quite similar to the “sega” style that is a signature of Mauritian music. So, if you enjoyed a few of these songs - I would definitely recommend exploring some Mauritian music, and possibly sending it to Song Contests at some point - I pinky swear I’ll give you some points!

Maldòn, despite its gorgeously positive and happy musical structure is a deeply feminist song - which makes it all the more special for me. The lyrics deal with how unequal society is to domestic women who spend all day cleaning, cooking and taking care of the house - when they would like to be challenged and have some fun outside these constraints.

The stunningly creative Pop Kitsch video actually explores this beautifully. Do you notice how the three girls are constricted in black bondage gear at the start of the video (actually shaped like High Fashion brooms, and portraying sweeping motions), while the man is moving along freely? As the song progresses and they find their voice within the lyrics, their outfits become freer, and they manage to swap the man into these stereotypes/outfit as they escape! Is it a surprise Berserky stanned back then, and continues to stan today? Ddd

Sadly, I once made the mistake of sending a cover version to PJSC as my submission list for that contest was short and flopped! I am guessing this version may have done better in PJ Retro (had it passed, hey?), though I’ve come to realise this is never a certainty either.

Outside of Maldòn, I must admit I do not know much about Zouk Machine. I previewed a few extra tracks of theirs when I was researching acts to send to Retro and do like the songs I heard - though I definitely find Maldòn to be the one for me with its powerful message enhancing all the fun of the musicality also. Let’s also give a shoutout to @Maki who was braver than me and submitted a zouk song (Abandonné by Sonia Dersion) a while ago, and outside of big points from me unjustly didn’t appear on too many ballots. We got our revenge by charting the song in the Monthly Charts run by @ohnostalgia though! Please check out more about zouk music when you get a chance - such a gorgeous diverse basis - the sub-styles even include zouk-R&B, zouk-Rock and zouk-Symphonie.

@berserkboi (10) is the only Tenner to comment, and look - he says what I say, what is this?? - The French/Creole bop of my childhood! STAN!! @Ezz (8) asks all the right questions! I believe Pop Kitsch is a short segment on the MCM Channel where they play music from the past that is considered cheesy, though since the playlist includes Quand Je T’Aime and Maldon - I will say by cheesy they mean timeless, flawless, ahead of their time! - What kind of channel / show is Pop Kitsch? I want to see it!

@WowWowWowWow (7) actually gave points to me for the cover I sent to PJSC, I wonder if he remembers it! - Fun! @Epic Chocolat (8) is me in France! - I miss Creole songs on the radio. @DominoDancing (7.5) enjoys one of my picks - woohoo!! - I like this, but some elements, like the brass riff before the chorus, don't seem to properly fit into the song? Waited for this to really click, but it just didn't happen.

@daninternational (7) is all for the Fashion Forward Ladies of Guadalupe, and I agree! - I want those outfits. @jtm (4.7) should have been creative and at least reversed those numbers - The creativity in these music videos! @MilesAngel (8) says Oui to Zouk Girl Power!! - This is a lot of fun and the girls' harmonies are fantastic. Love the way the song changes at the end. @Filippa (7) can see herself adding this one to a boppy playlist! - A fun song.



The cover from PJSC


Here's Sa Ke Cho, their other Top 10 Hit in France, reaching #9 in 1991


Ex-member Joelle representing France at Eurovision!

 
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Top 30 Recap!

Alice - Per Elisa
Andrea Bocelli & Hélène Ségara - Vivo per lei
Anggun - La neige au Sahara
Blümchen - Herz an Herz
Carrapicho - Tic Tic Tac
David Bowie and Pat Metheny Group - This Is Not America
David Charvet - Should I Leave
David Hallyday - Tu ne m’as pas laissé le temps
Début De Soirée - Nuit de folie
Demis Roussos - Quand je t'aime
Die Ärzte - Ein Schwein namens Männer
DJ Ötzi - Anton aus Tirol
DÖF - Codo

Dorothee - Hou! La menteuse!

Elsa - T’en va pas
Era - Ameno
Eros Ramazotti - Più bella chosa
Falco - Jeanny
Florent Pagny - Savoir aimer
Fools’ Garden - Lemon Tree
Frida - I Know There's Something Going On
Garou, Patrick Fiori, Daniel Lavoie - Belle
Gazebo - I Like Chopin
Helen Schneider - Rock ‘n’ Roll Gypsy
Herbert Léonard - Pour le plaisir

Images - Les demons de minuit
Jean-Jacques Goldman - Je te donne
Jermaine Jackson, Pia Zadora - When the Rain Begins To Fall
Khaled - Aicha
La Compagnie Créole - Le bal masqué
Liquido - Narcotic
Manau - La tribu de Dana
Marie-Claire D’Ubaldo - La magia del ritmo / Non-English
Matia Bazar - Ti sento
Mecano - Hijo de la Luna
Michel Sardou - Les Lacs du Connemara
Modern Talking - You're My Heart, You're My Soul / '98 Version
Mory Kanté - Yéké Yéké
Nana - Lonely
Nathalie Cardone - Hasta siempre

Nek - Laura non c’e
Nena - Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann
Nik Kamen - I Promised Myself
Nomads - Yakalelo
Ofra Haza - Im Nin’Alu
Partenaire Particulier - Partenaire particulier
Peter Schilling - Major Tom (Völlig losgelöst)
Ricky Martin - La Copa de la Vida
Righeira - Vamos a la playa
Roch Voisine - Hélène
Rose Laurens - Africa
Sandra - Maria Magdalena
Sasha - If You Believe
Sin With Sebastian - Shut Up (and Sleep with Me)
Stéphanie - Ouragan
Supertramp - It’s Raining Again
Tanita Tikaram - Twist in My Sobriety
The Kelly Family - An Angel
Tic Tac Toe - Warum
Vangelis - Conquest of Paradise
Vaya Con Dios - What’s a Woman
Wes - Alane
Young Deenay - Walk On By
Zouk Machine - Maldòn
Zucchero - Il volo

Team Berserky 11s that have fallen - @Maki @Ezz @Penguin @Sprockrooster
Team Filippa 11s that have fallen - @Ana Raquel

- We seem to have only parted with Sprocky's 11 this go around, sorry you join Team Berserky as an 11er and fall!
- We will lose 3 more 11s on the road to the Top 20!
- A variety of languages and styles are also bidding us adieu!
- Filippa has lost 17 songs and Berserkboi has lost 18 songs, still quite even but I am still the one with the most losses thus far. How will this change as we reach the Top 20?
- Filippa now has 16 picks left, Berserkboi has 11 and we have 2 wildcards here!
- Team Berserky is due a reprieve as @Filippa is bringing the next few to us, but I will soon return and announce an 11 shortly after!

Again - let us know who you are hoping we are losing sooner rather than later as we get to your favourite tracks that are edging close to an 8 average...
 
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So who's gonna go today? As @berserkboi already announced I'm here to fill you in with the results within the next few days. Today I'm rather sad, as one of my favourite bands leaves.













































Lead by a woman with an incredible voice I'd thought you'd like them more!































It's the Belgian act who leaves today.








































#30


Vaya Con Dios - What’s a Woman
Picked By:
@Filippa
Credentials:
Platinum in Belgium, Gold in Austria and The Netherlands, #1 in Belgium, The Netherlands, Poland, #5 in France, #6 in Switzerland, #7 in Austria and #11 in Germany
Average Score: 7.5455
Highest Score: 11 @jtm 10 @Filippa, @If You Go, @Remorque
Lowest Score: 3 @Penguin

I chose this song because it's their song which charted most highly. But it's the incredibly successful and enjoyable album "Night Owls", which made me suggest them for this rate. It's said to have sold two million copies, went Platinum in Austria, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and The Netherlands, Gold in France, Sweden and Finland. And when I play it whenever some friends are around, at some time, although we're mostly busy talking or playing cards, someone asks: Who is this? I like it!

The story of Vaya Con Dios (a Spanish phrase which means "go with the gods") started in 1986. The group was formed by Dani Klein, Dirk Schoufs and Willy Lambregt. Their first release, the single "Just a friend of mine" characterizes the group with its love for Spanish-influenced music and acoustic instruments. It becomes an overnight hit (300.000 sold copies in France) and their career is on the way. The second album Night Owls continues the success story (with hits like the melancholy "What's a woman" and the joyous European hit "Nah neh nah"). Spanish flamenco's influence shifts to "old American jukebox hits although with unmistakable influences from gypsy music and French chanson".

Some of you complained about the lyrics of What's a Woman. Well, I think it's a love-goes-wrong song, maybe even the swan song to Dani and Dirk, as it feels rather heartfelt. Dani was quoted that her most significant victory in life was to conquer the fear of being alone and free her from co-dependency. So, I think in some ways, this is the song about her struggling with the love she feels but somehow realising that the beloved one is gone, replaced by addiction.


What did PopJustice think?

@jtm (11): I love songs like Smooth Operator or this here, so it had to be my 11. I love her voice / their sound so much, too bad they are not really around anymore. The album Night Owls is one of the all time best selling ones in parts of Europe and man does it have the bops.

@DominoDancing (8): I mean this is obviously a good song, but for some reason, until this rate, I thought this was from some early 90s TV ad, and not an actual song from an actual band.

@TéléDex (8.75): What’s a man without a woman? A gay man. #TheMoreYouKnow ;) Vaya is a good vocalist though. 8.75

@daninternational (6.5): I see what they were going for here. It's just a little too slow to get there

@Penguin (3): Lyrically annoying.

@WowWowWowWow (5): A man without a woman... might just want to be a man with a man! Don't judge, Vaya Con Dios!!

@Filippa (10): Dany Klein has such a great voice, and the song is a masterpiece.

@berserkboi (8.8): I feel like this was a 60s Girl Band song before? Sounds like one somehow - so strong!!

@MilesAngel (7): This reminds me of a song Dusty Springfield would sing. The vocals especially are great.

@Sprockrooster (7,5): That catchy instrumental part in the chorus is selling the song more for me than the vocals to be honest.


What's a Woman live


Nah neh nah


Just a Friend of Mine


Night Owls


Puerto Rico
 

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