The Disney Classics Rate (The End.)
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I like to think that it would - Disney were going through a real phase of redefining True Love, with Frozen's siblings and Maleficent's maternal love being considered just as valid. Plus, it's not like Disney are above mentally scarring a whole generation of children.
We don't talk about that film.
I loved Maleficent.
Me too. I would love that same approach for Jafar, though I cannot see them make him 'likeable'.
I'd be here for a movie exploring how he got to that point. It doesn't have to be Maleficent level "She was really (kinda) good all along!", but there's scope for "He's self-serving and evil - here's why". I find that concept more interesting than straight live action remakes.
MollieSwift21
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The malificent movie is the worst thing Disney has done in a while. I hated what they did to all the characters.
Oh, well, can't argue with those results! I'm glad the forum helped right my very own little PopInjustice. Now if we can just leave the rest of Frozen alone until like the Top 20, that'd be great.
So did I.
I could agree with that. A Littlefinger-goes-to-Agrabah movie would be dead cool... but of course they won't do that, they'll Beauty and the Beast it. Bah! (I will pretend the mooted Dumbo remake doesn't exist for as long as I can, for I generally like John Lasseter and do not wish to call for his head to be on a pike besides Eisner's and Katzenberg's.)
Back to Frozen, I actually liked the trolls more than Olaf. The trolls have a way better balance of serious and silly, even if they do get the worse song, whereas Olaf... I think they wanted him to be cutely naive, but no, he's just a fucking idiot. Then again, I find Josh Gad super annoying in just about everything I've ever seen him in.
We have another tie next, and we're staying post-Bronze Age for them both again! Will the 21st Century see another double elimination, or will we finally hit the Renaissance? Hmmmm.
(Also PSA: I'll be "breaking" ties by number of 11s/10s or just by the highest score each received, unless there's an opportunity for me to game the system for drama teebs.)
(Also PSA: I'll be "breaking" ties by number of 11s/10s or just by the highest score each received, unless there's an opportunity for me to game the system for drama teebs.)
I'm guessing it's time for Brother Bear to be, ahem, on its way.
When Will My Life Begin? can bite the dust as well, teebs, or something from Mulan/Hunchback.
In the singing challenge, you really staked your claim.
But on the runway, you proved that all that glitters is not gold.
I'm sorry Ratcliffe my dear, but you're up for elimination.
Mine, Mine, Mine
5.44
Highest Score: 9 x1 (@Conan), 8 x5 (@Mvnl, @Sideout, @ephemeralartery, @Mina, @Raichu)
Lowest Score: 0 x1 (@eccentricsimply), 1 x1 (@GhettoPrincess)
My Score: 5
Twelve eliminations in and we finally hit the Renaissance. I don’t imagine anyone will be too surprised to see this one go first – two ignorant, oppressive white men singing about… well… being ignorant, oppressive white men? We get more than enough of that from The Chainsmokers, thanks. Not even a fabulous costume change is enough to rescue this scene from just being really, deeply uninteresting. In the great pantheon of Disney villains, Ratcliffe sure ranks one of the The Absolute Worst, right? He’s not fantastically evil enough to love to hate, but not funny or charismatic enough to hate to love, he just… exists. I guess the “villain” in Pocahontas is supposed to be the prejudice and arrogance of Western civilisation in general, but as the figurehead of that villainy, he just doesn’t live up to the expectations set by the standard of antagonists before and after him. Oh and I guess John Smith has his moment in the spotlight here too but he’s equally as boring and Mel Gibson is a terrible human being so the less said about that, the better.
Mine, Mine, Mine (a pun which I’m ashamed to admit completely passed me by until far too recently) itself is… fine, I guess? The lyrics and voice work do their job perfectly adequately, and the production is suitably Westernised and classical in contrast with the rest of Pocahontas’ soundtrack, but as a complete package I just find it utterly forgettable, which is the cardinal sin for a villain theme. Honestly I completely forgot this song existed when I was preparing for this, only remembering when I was reading through Buzzfeed’s (shit, by the way – quelle surprise) ranking of Disney songs and had to go back and add it to the list, make artwork etc. pretty late on. So, yeah. I ain’t got much else to say about this one. Over to you guys!
Oh, wait. LKane shares my problem: “A bit boring I think… don’t know what to say about this one.” and GhettoPrincess opted to stop trying and took the chance for a nap instead: “Zzzz…” Can’t blame ya, sis. It didn’t leave much of an impression on MollieSwift21 either: “Kind of forgot about this song completely. I thought it was going to be The Virginia Company song ha! Need to rewatch the movie.” You’d be better off skipping this scene teebs. DJHazey feels the need to apologise to the governor for some reason? “I’m sorry Ratcliffe, but my high score is not yours.” No sympathy! Drag him! Thankfully, Reboot: “*sighs* White people.” and Sprockrooster: “NEIN NEIN NEIN” are less forgiving… and more German, for some reason WAIT I JUST GOT IT NN nevermind, nicely done. iheartpoptarts felt the song didn’t live up to its potential: “This isn’t as much fun as the title made me think it would be”, while Mina thought it paled in comparison to past villain themes, claiming “Gaston did it better”. Raichu, however, finds a fair amount to appreciate in the song: “The villain songs are usually not my faves, and there’s better songs from this movie, but this is quite good. It’s dynamic enough that I don’t find myself getting bored.” Oops, sorry! Now, I’m sure these last two comments came from the same place, but one of them comes across a bit… suspect.
constantino: “This straight cis white man ANTHEM.”
eccentricsimply: “Oh, fuck off, white man.”
Who wore it better?
Certainly not Ratcliffe, anyway.
But on the runway, you proved that all that glitters is not gold.
I'm sorry Ratcliffe my dear, but you're up for elimination.
Mine, Mine, Mine
5.44
Highest Score: 9 x1 (@Conan), 8 x5 (@Mvnl, @Sideout, @ephemeralartery, @Mina, @Raichu)
Lowest Score: 0 x1 (@eccentricsimply), 1 x1 (@GhettoPrincess)
My Score: 5
Twelve eliminations in and we finally hit the Renaissance. I don’t imagine anyone will be too surprised to see this one go first – two ignorant, oppressive white men singing about… well… being ignorant, oppressive white men? We get more than enough of that from The Chainsmokers, thanks. Not even a fabulous costume change is enough to rescue this scene from just being really, deeply uninteresting. In the great pantheon of Disney villains, Ratcliffe sure ranks one of the The Absolute Worst, right? He’s not fantastically evil enough to love to hate, but not funny or charismatic enough to hate to love, he just… exists. I guess the “villain” in Pocahontas is supposed to be the prejudice and arrogance of Western civilisation in general, but as the figurehead of that villainy, he just doesn’t live up to the expectations set by the standard of antagonists before and after him. Oh and I guess John Smith has his moment in the spotlight here too but he’s equally as boring and Mel Gibson is a terrible human being so the less said about that, the better.
Mine, Mine, Mine (a pun which I’m ashamed to admit completely passed me by until far too recently) itself is… fine, I guess? The lyrics and voice work do their job perfectly adequately, and the production is suitably Westernised and classical in contrast with the rest of Pocahontas’ soundtrack, but as a complete package I just find it utterly forgettable, which is the cardinal sin for a villain theme. Honestly I completely forgot this song existed when I was preparing for this, only remembering when I was reading through Buzzfeed’s (shit, by the way – quelle surprise) ranking of Disney songs and had to go back and add it to the list, make artwork etc. pretty late on. So, yeah. I ain’t got much else to say about this one. Over to you guys!
Oh, wait. LKane shares my problem: “A bit boring I think… don’t know what to say about this one.” and GhettoPrincess opted to stop trying and took the chance for a nap instead: “Zzzz…” Can’t blame ya, sis. It didn’t leave much of an impression on MollieSwift21 either: “Kind of forgot about this song completely. I thought it was going to be The Virginia Company song ha! Need to rewatch the movie.” You’d be better off skipping this scene teebs. DJHazey feels the need to apologise to the governor for some reason? “I’m sorry Ratcliffe, but my high score is not yours.” No sympathy! Drag him! Thankfully, Reboot: “*sighs* White people.” and Sprockrooster: “NEIN NEIN NEIN” are less forgiving… and more German, for some reason WAIT I JUST GOT IT NN nevermind, nicely done. iheartpoptarts felt the song didn’t live up to its potential: “This isn’t as much fun as the title made me think it would be”, while Mina thought it paled in comparison to past villain themes, claiming “Gaston did it better”. Raichu, however, finds a fair amount to appreciate in the song: “The villain songs are usually not my faves, and there’s better songs from this movie, but this is quite good. It’s dynamic enough that I don’t find myself getting bored.” Oops, sorry! Now, I’m sure these last two comments came from the same place, but one of them comes across a bit… suspect.
constantino: “This straight cis white man ANTHEM.”
eccentricsimply: “Oh, fuck off, white man.”
Who wore it better?
Certainly not Ratcliffe, anyway.
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eccentricsimply
Staff member
they/them
Fucking finally.
Erm, what? Poor Unfortunate Souls is a masterpiece of ironic manipulation, and I didn't even like The Little Mermaid.