Agreed. H20's Laurie just felt a lot more realistic and grounded.
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Agreed. H20's Laurie just felt a lot more realistic and grounded.
Yeah, I’m re-watching H20 on Netflix currently and it’s just such a fun movie and Jamie Lee Curtis really does give her best performance. Just that scene in the restaurant where she orders a second glass of Chardonnay is just perfectly written and acted.
Halloween ‘18 not having Scream 2 in it immediately makes it worse than H20.
H20 excels over 2018's movie because:
I don't want to shit all over the 2018 movie. It does have its moments. There are some good scares and kills and let's face it, the Michael character was a lot scarier in 2018 than in H20. The movie was grittier and it was quite dark in places too, which I loved at the time. But it also suffered from some poorly written dialogue and questionable storylines.
I just think it's interesting that they chose to retcon all of the sequels and bring back Jamie Lee Curtis and in the end, it just feels like it was pretty unfulfilling. 2018 was decent and had they left it there then fair enough but Kills then left you feeling like 'where are they going with this?' Now Halloween Ends leaves you feeling like 'what was the point?'
If anything, I sort of wish they'd done a direct sequel to H20. I've no idea what story they would tell but I'd rather they'd have given us an update on those characters. It feels like in the new trilogy they were attempting to tell stories about evil and how the evil can manifest itself in the town and the towns people etc.
It could have been a lot more interesting to tell a story like Cory's from Halloween Ends (minus Michael Myers) but have Cory using the Michael Myers name/image to bring fear back into Haddonfield and somehow Laurie gets pulled back into it or maybe you could have had Josh Harnett's John as the main character and Laurie just as a cameo or something. I dunno. Making this up as I write it.
Either way, H20 is the definitive ending for me. But, clearly, they will want to continue on with Halloween movies at some point. I just don't think I really fancy another remake. I'd much rather they jump off from another timeline. Could they do a direct sequel to Halloween 4 and bring back Jamie Lloyd and Rachel?
1. The Laurie character is better written, acted and just makes more sense
2. The relationship with her son, John, is better written than with the daughter in 2018 (and the chemistry between Jamie Lee Curtis/Josh Hartnett is better than Jamie Lee Curtis/Judy Greer) - the scene in the kitchen with John and also when he's caught outside of the school and she yells at him is just so well written/acted.
3. The aforementioned scene in the restaurant, along with her nightmare scene at the start delicately gives us insight into her issues without feeling the need to ram it down our throats like in 2018.
4. You still have the brother/sister relationship between Michael and Laurie so it makes sense that she'd still feel that Michael was going to try and come after her/her son. Whereas in the 2018 movie there is no motive and no real reason why Laurie has feared Michael for 40 years or brought up her child to fear him.
5. Having Janet Leigh in the H20 movie and the interactions between her and Jamie Lee is brilliant.
6. I prefer what they did with the Marion Chambers character in H20. I thought her kill scene was done pretty well and I really enjoy that opening.
7. That final showdown between Laurie and Michael and THAT ending is just 10/10. The ending we get in 2018 is 'fine' but the fact we are meant to believe she had built a trap for Michael under her kitchen counter was just ridiculous and completely took me out of the 'grounded' approach they were aiming for with these new movies.
2. The relationship with her son, John, is better written than with the daughter in 2018 (and the chemistry between Jamie Lee Curtis/Josh Hartnett is better than Jamie Lee Curtis/Judy Greer) - the scene in the kitchen with John and also when he's caught outside of the school and she yells at him is just so well written/acted.
3. The aforementioned scene in the restaurant, along with her nightmare scene at the start delicately gives us insight into her issues without feeling the need to ram it down our throats like in 2018.
4. You still have the brother/sister relationship between Michael and Laurie so it makes sense that she'd still feel that Michael was going to try and come after her/her son. Whereas in the 2018 movie there is no motive and no real reason why Laurie has feared Michael for 40 years or brought up her child to fear him.
5. Having Janet Leigh in the H20 movie and the interactions between her and Jamie Lee is brilliant.
6. I prefer what they did with the Marion Chambers character in H20. I thought her kill scene was done pretty well and I really enjoy that opening.
7. That final showdown between Laurie and Michael and THAT ending is just 10/10. The ending we get in 2018 is 'fine' but the fact we are meant to believe she had built a trap for Michael under her kitchen counter was just ridiculous and completely took me out of the 'grounded' approach they were aiming for with these new movies.
I just think it's interesting that they chose to retcon all of the sequels and bring back Jamie Lee Curtis and in the end, it just feels like it was pretty unfulfilling. 2018 was decent and had they left it there then fair enough but Kills then left you feeling like 'where are they going with this?' Now Halloween Ends leaves you feeling like 'what was the point?'
If anything, I sort of wish they'd done a direct sequel to H20. I've no idea what story they would tell but I'd rather they'd have given us an update on those characters. It feels like in the new trilogy they were attempting to tell stories about evil and how the evil can manifest itself in the town and the towns people etc.
It could have been a lot more interesting to tell a story like Cory's from Halloween Ends (minus Michael Myers) but have Cory using the Michael Myers name/image to bring fear back into Haddonfield and somehow Laurie gets pulled back into it or maybe you could have had Josh Harnett's John as the main character and Laurie just as a cameo or something. I dunno. Making this up as I write it.
Either way, H20 is the definitive ending for me. But, clearly, they will want to continue on with Halloween movies at some point. I just don't think I really fancy another remake. I'd much rather they jump off from another timeline. Could they do a direct sequel to Halloween 4 and bring back Jamie Lloyd and Rachel?
Because a lot of it is from SCREAM.
Ah, right. But I really love the variation on the Carpenter theme.
He/Him
Halloween Ends was better than Kills and honestly that's all I wanted from it.
I've always liked H20, I don't even care about the dodgy CGI mask and Josh Hartnett's blunt haircut.
Laurie though:
Laurie though:
The best timeline is:
Halloween - Halloween 2 - Halloween 4 - The imaginary Halloween movie where they had the guts to make Jamie a killer - Somehow also Halloween H20 magically fits in here, the end.
Halloween - Halloween 2 - Halloween 4 - The imaginary Halloween movie where they had the guts to make Jamie a killer - Somehow also Halloween H20 magically fits in here, the end.
A hardcore stan friend of mine is reading the novelization of Ends and sending me updates:
- One of the asshole junkyard teens is Ben Tramer's grandson
- The cop who dated Allyson is the son of one of the kids bullying Lonnie Lamb in 1978
- The old doctor who was screwing the nurse was the boss of the doctor/nurse couple from Kills
- Apparently in the Kills movie, the radio tower from Ends can be seen a fair bit along with repeat references to the DJ
They'd all be impressive strings if A). both movies didn't suck ass C). they'd had the foresight to incorporate Corey earlier than the final movie.
- One of the asshole junkyard teens is Ben Tramer's grandson
- The cop who dated Allyson is the son of one of the kids bullying Lonnie Lamb in 1978
- The old doctor who was screwing the nurse was the boss of the doctor/nurse couple from Kills
- Apparently in the Kills movie, the radio tower from Ends can be seen a fair bit along with repeat references to the DJ
They'd all be impressive strings if A). both movies didn't suck ass C). they'd had the foresight to incorporate Corey earlier than the final movie.
Just about to start the Ends novelization, they're handcore stans here too ha!
I went through the Wiki briefly, and did I miss something.... or?
Halloween Kills: Laurie is left in hospital while Karen and Allyson try to stop Michael, allowing her to talk with Frank Hawkins, the lieutenant who arrested Michael after his first rampage (it is strongly implied that he is Karen's father).
When was this implied?!
Halloween Kills: Laurie is left in hospital while Karen and Allyson try to stop Michael, allowing her to talk with Frank Hawkins, the lieutenant who arrested Michael after his first rampage (it is strongly implied that he is Karen's father).
When was this implied?!
I... don't recall that either. Unless it's something from the novel, based on an earlier script? I certaintly didn't see / hear it in the movie. 'Strongly implied' I think not.
Girls, I... just watched Ends.
So... this should definitely have been two different movies - a spin-off focused on Miss Corey and ha pout, exploring and expanding the Haddonfield metaverse; what it means to be evil, nature vs nurture,... all of which is quite interesting and was poorly explored (that Twilight: New Moon moment on top of the radio station was a new low for the franchise) and way too miscast (Rohan Campbell fell way too short).
And of course, the worst of Ends sins; dropping the ball on the closing of a 40-year old relationship which has shaped both Laurie and a whole town. Adding Miss Corey takes the focus off of what should be an important face-off and renders the whole thing anticlimactic and almost pointless. Giving Laurie and Michael a satisfying ending was always a very difficult task, but it's baffling to me how, from all the choices in the world, they went the Dawson's Creek Halloween special route. The story didn't need for any second killers just yet, nor for making it any more convoluted (glad they never made them siblings again), they just needed to land it properly.
It's just... disappointing.
So... this should definitely have been two different movies - a spin-off focused on Miss Corey and ha pout, exploring and expanding the Haddonfield metaverse; what it means to be evil, nature vs nurture,... all of which is quite interesting and was poorly explored (that Twilight: New Moon moment on top of the radio station was a new low for the franchise) and way too miscast (Rohan Campbell fell way too short).
And of course, the worst of Ends sins; dropping the ball on the closing of a 40-year old relationship which has shaped both Laurie and a whole town. Adding Miss Corey takes the focus off of what should be an important face-off and renders the whole thing anticlimactic and almost pointless. Giving Laurie and Michael a satisfying ending was always a very difficult task, but it's baffling to me how, from all the choices in the world, they went the Dawson's Creek Halloween special route. The story didn't need for any second killers just yet, nor for making it any more convoluted (glad they never made them siblings again), they just needed to land it properly.
It's just... disappointing.