The Halloween Franchise | Page 88 | The Popjustice Forum

The Halloween Franchise

Discussion in 'TV + Film' started by silkandskin, Oct 18, 2018.

  1. I agree with Danielle and Scout with an idea from of fan from their podcast that Michael should have pulled Laure into the meat grinder. That WOULD have been shocking ending. Instead of the curse that Laurie became the new Michael and warned Allison to get away from her. And shielded herself from her own granddaughter.

    But I'm so glad they didn't go for that ridiciulous ending. Laurie becoming the new Michael Meyers, no, but no thanks.

    Yeah yeah, evil never dies. But spare Laurie Strode please. She's been through enough.
     
    ohaimanabu likes this.
  2. I still stand by the fact that making them siblings was a great narrative choice in the original timeline. Yes I know The Shape and ambiguity and balance dad mysterious blah blah etc. but it is just one of those things that works. It also helps that H20 did such a great job capitalizing on this.
     
  3. At least we have H20 for a decent ending.
     
    Andrew and burzacott like this.
  4. I just... don't want to hear from this series for a few years. It's in mental detention until it learns to not be shit.
     
  5. This tumbled through the letterbox a few days early. Can't wait* to see if Kills still sucks.

    [​IMG]

    *can wait
     
    Remorque, wodny, DoggySwami and 2 others like this.
  6. I have yet to purchase ENDS yet. Does anyone know if the deleted/extended scenes add anything to the film? I actually preferred the extended version of Kills.
     
    Andrew likes this.
  7. Will they ever just release a full set of all the movies or can they not due to studios etc.
     
    wodny and GodsAndMonsters like this.
  8. Scream Factory did this beauty in 2014, so maybe one day
    [​IMG]
     
    GodsAndMonsters likes this.
  9. @BTG and @silkandskin directed me to the Italian one, only parts 1-8 (which is actually an improvement because who wants to own those Rob Zombie monstrosities?), Region B and with many of the extras from the SF release and, two years ago when I picked it up, waaaay cheaper.
     
    GodsAndMonsters likes this.
  10. Is this Blu-ray?
     
  11. Yass. The default language and menus are in Italian, but easily switched to the original audio tracks.
     
    bonnieetclyde likes this.
  12. Do you have a link? Thanks.
     
  13. bonnieetclyde likes this.
  14. Wait at Kills sucking a lot less on the small screen. The 'Evil Dies Tonight' camp shenanigans and some truly atrocious dialogue and acting from some extras aside, it was... kinda okay.

    Ends is still an abortion of a film though. In contrast to the previous film being slightly more enjoyable, this one is somehow even worse than it was four months ago.
     
  15. There really was no point in telling this 'story' sadly. It almost seems like a waste of everyone's time. Sure, there were moments of brilliance in all 3 films (mostly the first) but the new trilogy just never seemed to have much to say overall. It would have been better if they'd just made these 3 films minus Jamie Lee Curtis. Make them a continuation from Halloween Resurrection and have that Cory guy as the main lead for all three movies and tell that whole story. Have him turn into the new Michael Myers or whatever. At least then, you could leave it a few years and pick it up again and tell a different story. But by rebooting again with Jamie Lee / Laurie and retelling the story, it's like 'where the hell can they go now' other than yet another reboot in 10 years time.
    The good thing I enjoy about this whole series now is that you can pick and choose your timeline and, in a way, I hope they really embrace that concept because it is quite unique. It's like their USP at this point. They really should just build on that and keep telling different stories but picking up from different points in the timeline. Get different writers and directors in every few years to make a new Halloween movie that picks up from the end of whichever movie they so choose and tell a standalone tale.
     
  16. I can see some dumbass desperate straw-clutching along the lines of "Michael's blood dripped on him when they were crowd-surfing the body into the compactor and now the evil has transferred!"
     
  17. I think I recall Jamie coming back because the character of Laurie was so hardened but I can’t help to think how much stronger a story it would have been if we had a Laurie that dealt with the trauma from Halloween and was more or less healed from it living a “normal” suburban life. Then Michael returns and we see how she reacts in the face of terror again. Fight, flight, or freeze. Have it be an arc over three films showing each stage. Freezes in the first one and loses her daughter, tries to run in the second, and then comes back to finish him off in the third and overcome her trauma once and for all.
     
    Lander, POPGASM, Remorque and 2 others like this.
  18. I sat and re-watched the new trilogy again (one movie a night) over the past few days. I had only seen Kills and Ends once in the cinema so I will say I had forgotten a lot of those movies whereas with 2018 I was sort of casually watching it as I've seen it a fair few times now.

    The main problem with 2018's movie, for me, is the terrible dialogue. Dialogue might not be an issue for some but for me I really appreciate well-written, believable and intelligent dialogue. Sadly, this movie has some of the worst dialogue in all the Halloween films! Okay, maybe that's a stretch but it mostly is really basic and cliched and poorly written. I honestly don't think the writers are good at writing dialogue. Whether it's the ''peanut butter on my penis'' scene, the awful dialogue/characterisation of Judy Greer's Karen or Alison always referring to Laurie as 'Grandmother' which just sounds so odd. Not Gran? Grandma? Like, it sounds so informal, cold and also really unrealistic like she's from the 1930's. I also hate the introduction at school of Oscar - annoying and again the whole dialogue in that scene is just not how kids talk or interact. It's in part cliche and in parts embarrassing to watch. Then the whole trap Laurie has under her kitchen counter... like, who installed that? She really had that for 40 years convinced Michael was going to find her... erm, why? It makes no sense once you remove the sibling connection. Sure, I can get behind Michael and Laurie coming back together if that Dr Sartain arranged it but why does Laurie seem to think Michael would come to find her? Again, if they'd kept the sibling connection it would have made sense but once you remove it, it really doesn't. As I've gone on about endlessly, H20 did this a lot better and a lot more believable too.
    But, I do enjoy the movie for what it is. I saw it twice at the cinema at the time. I think the hype did make me think the movie was better than it actually is but there are some good scenes in it I still really enjoy and some good kills.

    Watching Halloween Kills again, I already knew the ''Evil dies tonight'' scenes and the mob scenes would piss me off and they still do, although by knowing they were coming it annoyed me less so. I just watched it and didn't get too cranky about it. Kills also suffers from some poor dialogue although this is less of an issue in this movie because there's a lot more action/kills to distract you.
    I actually ended up enjoying this one more than I thought I would and more than my re-watch of 2018! Sure, some of it makes no sense and I didn't really see the point in bringing back people like Tommy and Marion Chambers just to kill them off in stupid ways and have them do nothing to actually help anyone. That said, it was nice to see Lindsay back and Laurie was more 'Laurie' in this one than I felt she was in 2018. The kills are awesome in this and as a fan of slasher movies, Kills really gives you everything you want. So, whilst the story is basic and doesn't do a lot, visually I find it more interesting and I would probably pop this one on over another re-watch of 2018's.

    I noticed there were some additional writers on Halloween Ends and I think it shows. Again, with the dialogue, which is definitely better written, thank God. I watched this in the cinema and remember feeling like it was a very unsatisfying end to the trilogy. I still felt that way after re-watching it last night. Despite that, I do think it's well-written (the best written screenplay out of the 3) and I really enjoy Laurie's characterisation in this one the best.
    The Cory character was interesting and had this been a one-off Halloween movie, not part of the Laurie/Michael saga and not built up as the 'end' of the Laurie/Michael saga I think it would be appreciated a lot more by fans. I do see this one actually getting more praise in years to come, similar to something like Halloween 3: Season of the Witch.
    Again, H20 did the Laurie/Michael send off so much better for me but I still appreciate Laurie pinning Michael down with Knives and draining him of blood before throwing his body into the crusher!

    Long-winded, sorry but, overall I do think these movies are enjoyable as their own trilogy. I have my issues (mostly with under-written characters, very poor dialogue and too many cliches) but I probably have similar issues with other Halloween movies too! Kills and Ends surprised me because I enjoyed them more than I thought and whilst Ends is not a great way to end the trilogy it is a good movie that I enjoyed a lot more on my second watch.

    I just wonder where they go from here because, there's no way that's the end of the Halloween franchise, right?
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2023
    Tchelitchew likes this.
  19. It’s the 50th anniversary in five years so I’ll be shocked if there’s no film then and I think it’ll be a wasted opportunity if they don’t

    I say take it back to 78’, reintroduce Loomis, maybe in a female role this time, have a new group of kids, preferably younger and none of them named Laurie. Even having Michael released rather than escaped may be an interesting plot line. And for fuck sake, get a great writer. If they solidify some great characters, the sequels come easy.
     
  20. I loved the Big John/Little John scenes in Halloween Kills, especially that great little jazz record they play. Such a cute couple. There are a lot of fun little touches in Kills that make me want to revisit it. I can't really say the same thing for Ends. Maybe a fan edit will save it someday?
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.