Yeah one of the redeeming factors with Ends was the dialogue was better and when it got bad at least it was a bit camp ("I'll light the match"ddd). I also enjoyed Laurie a lot more then in Kills. It just sucks they didn't have the foresight to include Corey from 2018 and slowly let us see his descent into madness.
The Halloween Franchise
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Yeah, this would have made more sense and makes you realise they probably didn't have a clear vision for a trilogy. More that the 2018 movie was an unexpected hit and they had to rush to come up with something.
I thought maybe a rewatch would soften me on it but Halloween Ends is…awful.
I watched Kills last night. I hadn't seen it before. It felt odd - not like a typical Halloween film. I loved the 70s scenes and thought they felt very authentic and of the time. But things like Michael knocking on the door of the Johns' house seemed very out of character for Michael. He doesn't usually knock and hide. He just sneaks in! I know it was done as a red herring for us and the Johns to think it was those rapscallion trick or treaters again.
One scene I thought was very eerie was when the kids were on the swings talking about the pervert in the mask hiding in the bushes - and then go "oh there he is"!!
One scene I thought was very eerie was when the kids were on the swings talking about the pervert in the mask hiding in the bushes - and then go "oh there he is"!!
This and the ensuing chase with Lindsay was the highlight of the reboot's three films. It was oddly menacing and my heart raced the whole time.
I’d love the next one to just be a stand alone self contained Halloween movie set on one night. It could sit on its own or in-between any of the other timelines. No mention of previous franchise characters and no baggage.
Yeah, I agree. I've seen lots of fans theorising which timeline they should/could pick up from next and whilst I think they could do that from Halloween 4 you sort of think maybe it's time to leave all of that behind.
Do a standalone, see how it performs and then decide where to take the franchise. I'd imagine most people will be happy to just watch a slasher movie starting Michael Myers regardless of who the supporting characters are.
I would love that. The Laurie Strode story has been exhausted. If you must make another one, just do a slasher with Michael being an unstoppable force of nature again.
Agreed, Hell make an alternate halloween 2 of kills we didn't see, that was my favorite part of kills.
I also think Danielle Harris has potential to come back if they ever wanted to do a spin off from 4 (or 5). Obviously they'd have to set in years later and maybe do some flashbacks to what happened directly after but it could work. I mean, they've tried everything else.
If they were to do a follow up to 4-5, I’d like it to be a tv series for streaming. I don’t think they’d invest in a film with Danielle, but it would still be nice to see that story continue.
Of course my dream is just a back to basics sequel with Michael stalking new characters. Basically what 6 should’ve been without the cult storyline.
Of course my dream is just a back to basics sequel with Michael stalking new characters. Basically what 6 should’ve been without the cult storyline.
If they do another, which does seem likely, I would just have a mysterious Michael stalking and killing a few people in an autumnal town. No studio is willing to, but it would be so, so nice if they weren't so obsessed with the mythology and history. Keep it vague and run with the "legend of a killer that came one night, attacked some babysitters and vanished" without making it LAURIE LAURIE SURVIVOR TRAWWWWWWMUHHH.
I not long finished reading Taking Shape 2 (hugely recommended) which deals with unmade sequels.
There was one that really stuck out to me, which was a trilogy mapped out by Shem Bitterman. Timeline wise it would have come after the Zombies, and would have gone to some really interesting places.
Essentially the lead would have been Loomis, with Laurie dying early on in the first part. Annie would have survived an attack to have a bigger role in the sequels.
What really stuck with me though was the treatment of Michael. He would have been a true shape, an evil entity from a liminal space, that breaks through on Halloween. Loomis and the Shape would have been inextricably linked, and by the final film in the trilogy Loomis passes over into the liminal to try and find a way to destroy the Shape. What he finds there though, is for me the crown jewel of the idea. In the Liminal, Loomis discovers multiverses, and not only that, but sees that each universe has its own Shape, which would be the entire franchise that had come before.
It’s a ballsy move and I can see why Dimension would have baulked, but the freedom that would have come from it would have been immeasurable. You could literally do anything you want and have it make sense.
Instead we got Jamie in a series of bad wigs.
There was one that really stuck out to me, which was a trilogy mapped out by Shem Bitterman. Timeline wise it would have come after the Zombies, and would have gone to some really interesting places.
Essentially the lead would have been Loomis, with Laurie dying early on in the first part. Annie would have survived an attack to have a bigger role in the sequels.
What really stuck with me though was the treatment of Michael. He would have been a true shape, an evil entity from a liminal space, that breaks through on Halloween. Loomis and the Shape would have been inextricably linked, and by the final film in the trilogy Loomis passes over into the liminal to try and find a way to destroy the Shape. What he finds there though, is for me the crown jewel of the idea. In the Liminal, Loomis discovers multiverses, and not only that, but sees that each universe has its own Shape, which would be the entire franchise that had come before.
It’s a ballsy move and I can see why Dimension would have baulked, but the freedom that would have come from it would have been immeasurable. You could literally do anything you want and have it make sense.
Instead we got Jamie in a series of bad wigs.
They had the perfect opportunity to close the chapter on the Laurie saga with the new trilogy, so it's a real pity that they shit the bed with it. Especially because the first film was so promising, and they had the public on their side so it felt like a proper event. I don't really know where they go from here, but I don't think anyone is going to be overly excited about jumping back in anytime soon. I think it's best they let the franchise rest for a while and then start from scratch, using the Michael character and lore, but leaving Laurie out of it.