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The Mariah Carey Discography Rate Pt.1 • FINISHED

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by vague, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. londonrain

    londonrain Staff Member

    Thank fuck for that.

    It’s a nice enough song but I would never consider it one of her 40 best songs from this era. It’s the perfectly pleasant filler I sit through in order to get to Prisoner.
     
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  2. Ok but why are we losing songs from the Debut album when Music Box still has a few left.
     
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  3. Hero missing the top 30?

    Bit of a joke, tbh.
     
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  4. Hero was always going to split the vote between people who voted for it as a legacy song and those who underscored in anticipation of such.
    I kind of fall somewhere in between, I don’t use her like that but it’s weird it won’t be represented in what is supposed to be a showcase of her top tier.
     
  5. RUNAWAY

    RUNAWAY Staff Member

    The thing is though.....it’s NOT one of her top tier. Every song that’s left (and actually quite a few songs that have already left) are more well written than Hero.
     
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  6. Oh I don’t disagree, but in terms of legacy and cultural impact it did and I think a lot of people would have scored it higher because of that.
     
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  7. We kinda jinxed it yesterday didn't we
     
  8. Bit of a joke it got this far, more like.
     
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  9. Sent From Up Above out? I can't take much more this cull from the debut!!!
     
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  10. Before we get to top 30 I'm changing my Avi back to show respect to my Queen. I had to try to be objective in this rate and lower many of my scores a bitsy because I had a trollish amount of 10s.

    @vague thank you so much for doing this rate and pt 2 as well. I'm really busy at work right now, but checking on this rate is a highlight of everyday for me! You are doing such a great job. I love your write-ups and the pace is pitch perfect!
     
  11. Reading the intro into it, seeing my 9 go down when Hero got the boot, my first thought was as least it wasn't Sent From Up Above.
    RIP.gif
     
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  12. What's with the Hero shade?
     
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  13. I don't know how anyone could listen to Mariah's discography and think Hero is on par with the majority of it.
     
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  14. Both of the songs leaving us today have received 11s . . .


































    First up . . .


































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    Zoning out thinking about
    You and me between the sheets
    I want to get intimate
    But you're not within my reach


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    #34
    "Babydoll"


    Score: 7.946
    High scores: 11×1 (@Imagineitwasus), 10×8 (@Music Is Life, @tylerc904, @RUNAWAY, @nikkysan, @BreatheBox,, @PayMe, @LeBratt, @Posh Spears), 9.75×1 (@Love Deluxe), 9.5×1 (@RainOnFire), 9.2×1 (@Womanizer)
    Low scores: 3×1 (@abael), 4×3 (@Daniel_O, @CasuallyCrazed, @londonrain), 5×3 (@Jimmyandroid, @Cowboystyle, @DominoDancing)
    My score: 8.75

    5 ballots: #30 (tied), 8.75 avg.
    10 ballots: #43, 8.095 avg.
    15 ballots: #35, 8.43 avg.
    20 ballots: #42, 7.973 avg.
    25 ballots: #47, 7.798 avg.
    30 ballots: #46 (tied), 7.815 avg.
    35 ballots: #40, 7.799 avg.
    40 ballots: #42, 7.724 avg.
    45 ballots: #38, 7.827 avg.
    50 ballots: #36, 7.849 avg.
    55 ballots: #38, 7.849 avg.
    60 ballots: #35, 7.945 avg.
    61 ballots: #34, 7.946 avg.

    "Babydoll" is the seventh track from Mariah's sixth studio album, "Butterfly". Its lyrics were written by Mariah and Missy Elliott; its music was written by Mariah, Cory Rooney, and Stevie J.; and it was arranged and produced by Mariah and Cory Rooney. In a 1997 interview with Molly Meldrum, Mariah recounted the process of co-writing "Babydoll" with Missy Elliott: Mariah already had general lyrical ideas for the track and approached Missy to flesh her ideas out. Missy came up with the song's verse melody before falling asleep halfway through due to being out partying the night before, leaving Mariah to finish the track on her own.

    This song is so late '90s R&B. It takes me right back to being a kid, driving around with my older sister just to sneakingly listen to "worldly" music like Divine, Brandy, K-Ci & JoJo, and, of course, Mariah herself on little homemade cassette tapes my sister would sneak and make at her friend's houses (our parents were hella strict evangelists, so her car was the only place we could listen to anything besides gospel music). There's a lot of bittersweet nostalgia tied-up in this song for me ddd. I was really pleased to see that @Imagineitwasus gave it their 11. I only wish it would've given it a slightly higher score, so it could've held on a little bit longer and reached the top 30.


    @Imagineitwasus (11) — "I could actually live in that jam. It's an entire mood and my favorite track of her."

    @Music Is Life (10) — "Listening to this, I realized subtle is a great way to describe most of this album and it seriously fucking works. Like, she goes off on this without really going off you know? I fucking love it."

    @BreatheBox (10) — "the 1-2-3-4 punch from the roof to babydoll is fucking undeniably STRONG."

    @Posh Spears (10) — "I love this sooooo much. When I found out that Missy cowrote this it made so much sense. Talent."

    @WhatKindOfKylie? (9) — "This is so smooth! I don't know why it was never pushed as single either to be honest. Has that late 90's R&B jam vibe going on, so effortlessly."

    @godspeed (9) — "'Babydoll' coming right after 'Breakdown' is exactly like 'Fourth Of July' coming after 'The Roof' ... it makes so much sense and is further proof that Butterfly is a flawless album. 'Babydoll' is brilliant because this is basically Mariah coming through with a glorious smooth R&B song co-penned by Missy Elliott and co-produced by Stevie J. It clearly doesn't get more 90s than that and it's brilliant! Also, I am convinced that a nice little remix of this track with a rapper - Missy 'Misdemeanor' Elliott herself being right there - would have been a perfect and logical single choice."

    @evilsin (9) — "What a lush track! It's all bubbly and springy and clingy."

    @ysev (8.5) — "The first adjective that comes to mind when I think of Babydoll is lush. Something about it sounds very laid - back and cozy, yet very sophisticated."

    @Seventeen Days (8) — "Wait, why am I literally just now finding out that this was co-written by Missy Elliott? I guess it pays to read the liner notes of the CD."

    @bonnieetclyde (7) — "smooth and sultry."

    @pop3blow2 (7) — "Meh. Not a song I like. Just not very good... and goes on & on. Sort of forget about this one."

    @Veeis (6) — "I never was a fan of it, it's a cute album track."

    @Jimmyandroid (5) — "I've never understood what the fuss is with Babydoll. It's the only dud on Butterfly for me."

    @DominoDancing (5) — "Who the hell mixed the drum track that much into the foreground? It's really annoying. And I find the song rather generic to begin with."

    @abael (3) — "I know the song is called babydoll, but that's no exception from enunciation. It doesn't give off RnB vibes, it makes me think you don't know the words to your own song."





     
  15. Too soon given some of the songs still in but it comes quite low in my ranking of Butterfly.
     
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  16. My 11 is most likely getting eliminated next... I'm just glad it made it this far.
     
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  17. londonrain

    londonrain Staff Member

    Phew. It’s a nice enough song, but that was overdue.
     
  18. The melody of Babydoll is divine. There’s a stripped version somewhere on YouTube which really showcases how truly brilliant Mariah is, despite it being completely accapella her layered vocal almost becomes the production itself.
    I also go to heaven when she sings in that super low register.
     
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  19. This next song is the first cut to have received multiple 11s . . .


































    Three of them . . .


































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    Oh, and God knows
    That you're standing on your own
    Blind and unguided
    Into a world divided


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    #33
    "Outside"


    Score: 7.995
    High scores: 11×3 (@nikkysan, @Veeis, @Posh Spears), 10×5 (@EricG1990, @Love Deluxe, @mokitsu, @Seventeen Days, @vague), 9.5×5 (@Music Is Life, @LeBratt, @Oleander, @RainOnFire, @Oceandrive)
    Low scores: 4×4 (@Daniel_O, @Ana Raquel, @Cowboystyle, @Aester), 5×1 (@Sprockrooster), 6×3 (@playboy69, @WhatKindOfKylie?, @Pinky25)
    My score: 10

    5 ballots: #50 (tied), 8 avg.
    10 ballots: #46 (tied), 7.95 avg.
    15 ballots: #44, 8.1 avg.
    20 ballots: #48, 7.75 avg.
    25 ballots: #52, 7.52 avg.
    30 ballots: #51, 7.64 avg.
    35 ballots: #44, 7.663 avg.
    40 ballots: #46, 7.605 avg.
    45 ballots: #42, 7.716 avg.
    50 ballots: #38, 7.834 avg.
    55 ballots: #35, 7.949 avg.
    60 ballots: #34, 7.97 avg.
    61 ballots: #33, 7.995 avg.

    "Outside" is the twelfth and final track from Mariah's sixth studio album, "Butterfly". Its lyrics were written solely by Mariah, it was composed by Mariah and Walter Afanasieff, and produced by Mariah, Walter Afanasieff, and Cory Rooney. Mariah has openly talked about the struggles she faced growing up biracial throughout her career, often being made to feel like an outsider due to the way she looks, and she used those memories and feelings to write this gorgeous ballad. However, Mariah has explained that the song was purposely written in a way so that people can relate to it in a myriad of ways, depending on their own personal situations.

    ddddd I had a long-ass essay detailing all the ways I related to this song growing up, but I ain't ready to share those feelings with a bunch of people I don't really know fgdsdds. So that's chopped. Anyway, let me just say in short that this is such an important song for many, many reasons and I'm happy it's lasted as long as it has considering how y'all have treated the ballads so far. It should've been top 20, though.


    @nikkysan (11) — "Growing up, I was awkward and quiet and had little to no friends. I always felt different to everyone else, and people knew that as well. Going through years a lonely teenager still coming to terms with their sexuality was not easy, and I wish I had known about Mariah and this song sooner, because it moves me to tears every time. I think it's a song that a lot us can relate to in one way or another. This song is so important to me and that's why I gave it my 11."

    @Veeis (11) — "One of the best tracks on Butterfly and also from her whole catalogue. Truly divine, breathtaking and emotional. It truly gets me and her vocal delivery here is undeniable. I believe it also takes the crown for being the best album closer."

    @Posh Spears (11) — "Mariah just gets it. There's something extremely validating about knowing that even a mega superstar like Mariah Carey shares the same struggles of being multiracial that I do. And ugh... just the way she articulates the constant pain and confusion of the mixed race experience... only a resilient woman of color who's been THROUGH it could make a song like this. And I'm forever thankful she did. This song has helped me through too many personal identity struggles for me to not 11 it."

    @mokitsu (10) — "Possibly the best climax of her discography, I get goosebumps every time that build-up kicks in. I also don't think I have ever related to lyrics more than with this song? It was very nearly my 11."

    @Seventeen Days (10) — "A beautiful closing track about feeling like an outcast. I seem to remember Mariah saying this was about her growing up as the child of biracial parents, and feeling like she never quite fit into one community or the other."

    @Music Is Life (9.5) — "This is a gorgeous closer. I love the production and the backing vocals are great. Her voice is, of course, amazing. The ending is absolutely the best part though."

    @godspeed (9) — "I tend to want to say too many things and, once again, 'Outside' would be the perfect occasion for me to overanalyze the lyrics and praise Mariah Carey's songwriting and lyricism whenever she gets vulnerable and real. But all I really want to point out on 'Outside' is how Mariah was able to pen a song that was so deeply personal and inspired by her own experiences, yet it is extremely relatable. Everyone here knows this was written about growing up as a biracial kid and the struggle of it, yet so many people who are not necessarily biracial can relate to it because it speaks to all of us really - it can speak to the LGBTQI+ community, to POC in general, children of immigrants, etc. And to me, this is really the most wonderful thing about this song and what makes a songwriter a great songwriter: being able of turning such a personal experience into something universal."

    @pop3blow2 (8.2) — "A pretty song, but just not a something I ever really got into."

    @Imagineitwasus (8) — "The production drags a bit, but the poignancy of the lyrics. I really felt this."

    @abael (7) — "A nicely realised closer is definitely one (if maybe the only) point it has over its predecessors."

    @DominoDancing (7) — "Pretty. How funny that she chose to end the album on a song called 'Outside' after ending the last one on 'Looking In'."

    @bonnieetclyde (6.5) — "a nothing song. Forgettable."

    @WhatKindOfKylie? (6) — "As in the case of Daydream before it, I just can't quite connect with this final song on the album. I gave it a 6 as whilst I can never skip it, it doesn't sit as a song I need to listen to and to be honest only really do when I play the album in full. Which is lots, so it does get lots of play that way."






    we'll finally reach an 8 avg.
     
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