The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)

[He]

Yeah let them get draggings. Disney / Marvel is a ruthless blockbuster factory.

Everything Everywhere All At Once delivered.

 

[BTG]

She’s got a point but Miss Jamie Lee stumbles upon good scripts more often than she seeks them out.

Christmas with the Kranks is the true horror classic of her filmography.

 

[~Paul~]

Yes Marvel and Disney's cultural chokehold and constant box office records mean that they should be immune from criticism!!!

I like Jamie Lee, but it wasn't just criticism. She was just being a bit of an ass for the sake of it, as she very much enjoys. If I'm not mistaken, she hadn't even seen the movie and was just publicly voicing an opinion based on the social media reactions and early reviews. She herself is the star of a well known franchise and, while I'm not saying Halloween and the MCU are at all similar, it's still not particularly professional to publicly criticise other actors/directors/talents' work, when I'm sure she'd be outraged if they did it to her first.

 

[Celestial Mosaic]

These Marvel heroes have been beloved for decades... And now with the MCU they've built such a well put together anthology of films. It's really ambitious and has really drawn literally everyone into it.

And on the other hand, you have actors like Jamie Lee Curtis shitting on Dr Strange saying that Everything Everywhere All At Once delivered a universe traveling story better, or whatever. As if it's a competition. As if you need to knock one movie down to raise yours up. It's just infuriating to see anyone in Hollywood who hates on the Marvel films. Spiderman was introduced SIXTY years ago and still holds cultural relevance and interest. Of course these films are going to be popular... It isn't just cheap spectacle, it's a legacy of stories.

Anyways...

Okay but it's Spider-Man and has been since he was created. It always gives me eye twitches when people get it wrong.

 

[scottdisick94]

I feel like multiple things can be true at once:

- the way Marvel / Disney simply cannibalises cinema screens through force and blackmail with their own pictures is bad.
- the MCU films are pretty good.

 

[Jwentz]

I like Jamie Lee, but it wasn't just criticism. She was just being a bit of an ass for the sake of it, as she very much enjoys. If I'm not mistaken, she hadn't even seen the movie and was just publicly voicing an opinion based on the social media reactions and early reviews. She herself is the star of a well known franchise and, while I'm not saying Halloween and the MCU are at all similar, it's still not particularly professional to publicly criticise other actors/directors/talents' work, when I'm sure she'd be outraged if they did it to her first.

Disney sucks all out of the air in the room and constantly bullies every corner of the industry to get their way, I think Jamie Lee Curtis being a little bit of an ass on twitter is more than understandable.

 

[Mikl C]

Go see Everything Everywhere All At Once! A masterpiece! Michelle Yeoh cinematic universe

 

[He]

Disney sucks all out of the air in the room and constantly bullies every corner of the industry to get their way, I think Jamie Lee Curtis being a little bit of an ass on twitter is more than understandable.

I love the MCU but Disney are a menace and evil. And the MCU itself is quite problematic at times.

Go see Everything Everywhere All At Once! A masterpiece! Michelle Yeoh cinematic universe

Yuh. Please, everyone.

 

[~Paul~]

Disney sucks all out of the air in the room and constantly bullies every corner of the industry to get their way, I think Jamie Lee Curtis being a little bit of an ass on twitter is more than understandable.

I can understand why people feel that way about Disney. But I can like both. I just don't think she needed to take a shot at one movie, which a lot of people have worked really hard on, to try to raise the profile of hers.

Nobody was putting Everthing, Everywhere down at all - it's being universally lauded.

 

[Jwentz]

take a shot at one movie, which a lot of people have worked really hard on, to try to raise the profile of hers.

They'll be fine, they can cry on their pile of money. No one who makes these does so for the respect of their peers.

 

[Mikl C]

If you actually look at Jamie Lee's statements I think you are missing the tone.

 

[eddy2375]

They'll be fine, they can cry on their pile of money. No one who makes these does so for the respect of their peers.

Let’s not conflate Disney and Marvel execs with rank-and-file members of film crews. I worked on Multiverse of Madness but I guess mine and my colleagues’ piles of money got lost in the post, dd

 

[~Paul~]

No one who makes these does so for the respect of their peers.

Feels unnecessarily harsh. This type of response was just addressed by Olsen, quite appropriately.



“These are some of the most amazing set designers, costume designers, camera operators — I feel diminishing them with that kind of criticism takes away from all the people who do award-winning films, that also work on these projects.

From an actor’s point of view, whatever, I get it; I totally understand that there’s a different kind of performance that’s happening. But I do think throwing Marvel under the bus takes away from the hundreds of very talented crew people,” Olsen added. “That’s where I get a little feisty about that.”

 

[joe_alouder]

The desperation from some MCU stans for Oscar recognition is really funny to be fair. Like your movies are bigger than god, beloved my most people but people say the colour grading is bad or Scorsese drags them and it’s like they’re a threatened art form

 

[Up N Down]

Go see Everything Everywhere All At Once! A masterpiece! Michelle Yeoh cinematic universe

ddd is it not marvel? I thought it was part of their Multiverse shenanigans.

 

[Joe.]

Marvel sometimes gets it wrong, sometimes they get it right and indeed should not be free from criticism. There are a lot of things they deserve their flowers for even for the less good projects (Well, maybe not Moon Knight). While Everything Everywhere is far better than probably any Marvel movie Jamie Lee's rants seem bit...misplaced, but I live for her petty online dramas so keep them coming ddd.

 

[Gemini]

My point is, putting down one movie to raise another up is silly. I have enough mental capacity to watch both.

 

[Joe.]

My point is, putting down one movie to raise another up is silly. I have enough mental capacity to watch both.

Yeah, I agree it was a weird swing. Especially given the lead in her movie very recently joined the MCU.

 

[TheDangerZone]

They'll be fine, they can cry on their pile of money. No one who makes these does so for the respect of their peers.

Except there’s plenty of crew members who do probably feel like this movie is a huge labor of love and art so Jamie’s comment completely invalidates their perspectives.

Lizzie even acknowledged this in an interview recently. None of the “talent” has any misconception of what a Marvel movie entails; no one thinks this is some indie arthaus picture. But Lizzie felt defensive on behalf of all the crew who did pour their talent, artistry and effort into the movie.

EDIT: @~Paul~ beat me to it.

 

[eddy2375]

Feels unnecessarily harsh. This type of response was just addressed by Olsen, quite appropriately.



“These are some of the most amazing set designers, costume designers, camera operators — I feel diminishing them with that kind of criticism takes away from all the people who do award-winning films, that also work on these projects.

From an actor’s point of view, whatever, I get it; I totally understand that there’s a different kind of performance that’s happening. But I do think throwing Marvel under the bus takes away from the hundreds of very talented crew people,” Olsen added. “That’s where I get a little feisty about that.”

Except there’s plenty of crew members who do probably feel like this movie is a huge labor of love and art so Jamie’s comment completely invalidates their perspectives.

Lizzie even acknowledged this in an interview recently. None of the “talent” has any misconception of what a Marvel movie entails; no one thinks this is some indie arthaus picture. But Lizzie felt defensive on behalf of all the crew who did pour their talent, artistry and effort into the movie.

EDIT: @~Paul~ beat me to it.

Yep. If the underlying issue that Jamie Lee and other film veterans have with Disney and Marvel’s business practices, they can say it with their full chest.

Jamie Lee's "your movie might be bigger and more expensive but ours is better and made with heart and care by true artists and filmmakers… nuh-uh!" stream of Instagram posts simply devalues the work of thousands of crew - including countless people who also contribute their skills and experience to her own films and television shows. Unlike her, most of those workers aren’t in a position to pick and choose projects based on supposed artistic worth.