The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)
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Yeah, so it's fair that people are very nervous about Loveness also writing Kang Dynasty. I'd prefer he was not allowed anywhere near an Avengers movie.
The way it would be seen as a classic if it came a few movies earlier and before they offed Natasha.
I’m wondering who’s doing the Marvels rewrite. Apparently it needs more action sequences in the movie.
I'm scared for that movie. I'll watch the shit out of it, because of Brie and Teyona, but (and I know I'm in the minority), I didn't love Iman's performance. She's very adorable and did a fine job for a cute Disney+ show, but I'm not feeling really that confident in her transitioning to the movies. I did cringe quite a few times.
Also, people just fucking hate Brie, so this one's an uphill struggle, no matter how good it is.
Fixed that for you.
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I'm not keen on Brie as a person but she does do a great job as Carol. It took a while to warm to her portrayal since Ms/Captain Marvel is my #1 superhero so I am precious about her.
Yeah, there’s literally an ARMY of people (including critics) ready to hate whatever Captain Marvel 2 gives us, so it has its work cut out for it.
It’s horrible to say for a female orientated movies but they need to really use Jackson as much as possible in the promo, because he’s going to probably ultimately be the biggest draw for wider audiences.
It’s horrible to say for a female orientated movies but they need to really use Jackson as much as possible in the promo, because he’s going to probably ultimately be the biggest draw for wider audiences.
Exactly.
Firing one executive is a symbolic gesture, perhaps even one to serve as a distraction from the systemic problems of the studio. It won’t be until someone is willing to address the nature of Marvel’s production demands and scheduling that you can expect a return to better quality films. They’ve been diluting their product for years, partly because of the demands of Disney+, and while this particular exec does seem to have been problematic (although she wasn’t universally loathed as some would have you believe), she’s not at the core of the problem. It won’t be until Bob Iger, Feige, and others see that their bottom-line is really threatened that real change will take place. It just sucks that the storytelling and artists (both those that develop and film, and those in post-prod) will inevitably get lost in the mix.
Iger recognizes the issue. I think the recent firings are warranted and the slow down of movie/show production is evident. However is it too little, too late?
If Gaurdians bombs/gets critically panned, I see more shuffling and firings happening and a longer delay of movies until they can get a guaranteed hit.
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Guardians will be fine. I'd say The Marvels and the next projects may have more of an uphill struggle.
To some extent there is a general audience who saw 'Endgame' as just...the stepping off point/end of the story. To another extent I think a general mixed reception to most superhero movies as of late hasn't helped, I'm sure the issues compounds over time; especially with streaming as an option.
To some extent there is a general audience who saw 'Endgame' as just...the stepping off point/end of the story. To another extent I think a general mixed reception to most superhero movies as of late hasn't helped, I'm sure the issues compounds over time; especially with streaming as an option.
Marvel is still not at DCEU's low point so there is no need to be this pessimistic/dramatic about everything. Quantumania wasn't a flop but it sure was a disappointment box office-wise. Marvel needs to have a DCEU level of flops for Fiege to be fired or removed.
People are talking like Marvel is on the same level as DC. Yes, Alonso was fired and it was Iger who said that everyone will be accounted for their mistakes. Disney isn't WB to let their IPs crash and burn so that they can make some changes. They will do that on the first slip.
People are talking like Marvel is on the same level as DC. Yes, Alonso was fired and it was Iger who said that everyone will be accounted for their mistakes. Disney isn't WB to let their IPs crash and burn so that they can make some changes. They will do that on the first slip.
It's funny in the ways in which the MCU sort of mirrors some of the issues people take with the actual comic books: "There's 100s of books, where do I start?", "What here is actually necessary reading?", "There's so many characters, how am I supposed to know who everyone is?"
Which leads me to wonder if perhaps after Secret Wars there could be some sort of "reset"/"reboot". It's just that I don't feel films can do that as easily as comic books can. If Iron Man dies and comes back 100x in a comic, it's like, okay whatever. But if they were to reboot the MCU (even if just a soft reboot) and have someone else come in and play Iron Man or Steve Rogers Cap or whatever... It's not going to be well received because with films you have actors sort of attached to those roles for life and recasting usually doesn't go over well. They'd have to play that super smoothly.
And well, I also don't think we need another solo film for characters like that regardless.
Which leads me to wonder if perhaps after Secret Wars there could be some sort of "reset"/"reboot". It's just that I don't feel films can do that as easily as comic books can. If Iron Man dies and comes back 100x in a comic, it's like, okay whatever. But if they were to reboot the MCU (even if just a soft reboot) and have someone else come in and play Iron Man or Steve Rogers Cap or whatever... It's not going to be well received because with films you have actors sort of attached to those roles for life and recasting usually doesn't go over well. They'd have to play that super smoothly.
And well, I also don't think we need another solo film for characters like that regardless.
All of the phase 4 films starring already established characters have gone on to be pretty big box office successes. Aside from Black Widow and Antman (but I blame BW on being released when Covid was still a big issue and Antman has never been a cinema draw). So I don’t have much concern for Guardians or The Marvels.
The newer characters Eternals and Shang Chi had much lower box offices compared to Spider-Man, DR Strange etc. But remember that Captain America wasn’t a big hit at the box office with the first film but became huge after the Avengers. I imagine the new characters will have the same uplift.
The newer characters Eternals and Shang Chi had much lower box offices compared to Spider-Man, DR Strange etc. But remember that Captain America wasn’t a big hit at the box office with the first film but became huge after the Avengers. I imagine the new characters will have the same uplift.
Nah, it is just a flop. Finishing with a 4 in front of it is just terrible. It not even managing to reach the first Ant-Man is pretty bad, when Ant-Man 2 managed to increase it by $100m.
I don't think Guardians will have the same problem. I can see that getting to the 7 or 800 range. They're popular characters and there's the feeling that this is the end of the road for some of them, so that gives it the closing chapter attraction.
I've love to say the same about The Marvels' prospects. I'll stay hopeful and wait for the first trailer.
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The golden age of MCU was never going to last forever. It was easier for the movies to hit and pass 1B when there were only one or two movies a year, no TV shows, no Disney+ and no other competition in terms of Superhero movies. The movies are still making solid money and there is clearly interest in Marvel and the lesser known characters like the Eternals and Shang Chi.
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Just noticed I accidentally skipped an episode. So that's why last night's episode started so abruptly.Started watching Daredevil. NOT Charlie Cox being even hotter than I thought.
Yes, again.
It’s also humorous to see Bob Iger cast as this Disney savior, when he created a lot of the problems Disney has been facing (Disney+, developing/scheduling projects so far out, acquiring Fox), but dipped out while the ship ‘went down’. That’s an exaggeration, but whatever, he’s a millionaire CEO.
To the point of Endgame being a natural end point for general audiences, this is why I’ve always thought it bizarre, with the Fox rights now, that they shelved X-Men and started making films about B-List characters. Generating a new wave of hype by re-upping X-Men and having a PR campaign about ‘doing it right’ would have been the perfect pivot post-Endgame, with all of Marvel and Feige’s goodwill at disposal.
I’m guessing the thought process behind this was saving some major players for Phases 7-9(?) and hoping to ride high off the goodwill from The Infinity Saga.
It makes sense really, they’ve got some of the characters sticking around (Thor, Guardians) but X-Men gives them the opportunity to clear house and focus elsewhere.