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The Miley Cyrus Discography Rate Part 1: WINNER ANNOUNCED! FINISHED!
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Ddd I couldn't give it a bad score but I didn't give it a 10 like the original. I would've combined them personally, but it'll be a kii seeing where they both end up.
He/Him
You're right about the first thing. Tasteless about the second.
#20 is a doozy. It's a main album single, the first we've lost.
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He/Him
Kinda sad to see this one go...
...but we are at the point where pretty much everything hurts, and not just for me. But I do know one person who will rejoice with this one.
I love it when you guys have taste too. But some of you don't. Let's start with the haters, like @phily693 (6) who might want to have been part of the album team: Terrible follow up single. Terrible opinion, but out of curiosity, what do you think would have been better? And then there's @DJHazey (0) who gave us our last zero of the rate and explains it with this: Never know how to score this fairly. It has become pretty documented that I despise a lot of things about it, especially during the Disney Queens rate. Miley just strays far too much into 'cheesy' with her vocals. The song sounds downright disjointed most of the time and it's like I never have a moment to breath and no that doesn't work in its favor. I know it's a benign bop-fest to many people but I just don't hear it. It's like my position on "Hello Kitty" but at least I liked that in the beginning, where as I've hated this since I saw the World Premiere of the video on MTV. That damn vocoder-ized "fly on the wall" sample or God Forbid it's actually Miley with something hellish done to her vocal, well whatever it is, it tends to haunt my dreams after hearing this just once. Since I get one 0, I might as well throw it here and call it a day. Some people give higher scores 'to help a fav' -- Well in this case I'm bumping a score down 'to help a non-fav get out sooner'. Whew, that's a lot of weird hate to have. And congrats, you succeeded, cause without your 0, it would've gone to #10. Just know I'm not mad at you. I do think you're very very worng, and will never understand your tastelessness in not liking this, but this rate could play out in 20 different ways at this point and I'd be happy with each result.
Anyway, moving on to tasteful people! @M24 (9.4) recognizes the change in sound from the album: Miley's first full electropop song in an album that's mostly pop rock songs. And it's a bop of course! I rate it highly. Yes, it's wonderful isn't it? A huge bop. And three of our 10 givers bless us with their thoughts. @Remorque can hear vocal talent: This is such a thrilling rush of a song, where she actually shows off in the middle 8. Surely ha best Hallowe'en song, n'est-ce pas? Does she...have any others? @pop3blow2 has a justifiable complaint: What kind of shit is it that this barely scraped into the charts in the US!? Not quite as amazing as See You Again, but it deserved way better. Americans lacking taste, shocker. Let's all move to New Zealand, home of @savilizabeths, who stans weird just like me: When I first heard this song the chorus made me laugh a lot. I was a kid and the strange vocals amused me. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve loved this more and more. It’s a firecracker of a song. It’s just so…weird? In the absolute best way. The bridge goes off and Miley performs this with such assurance and confidence, especially for someone of that age. It’s actually just goddamn great. Yes to all of this. It's weird, Miley revels in its weirdness, and that makes it amazing.
...but we are at the point where pretty much everything hurts, and not just for me. But I do know one person who will rejoice with this one.
#20 - Fly On The Wall: 7.97
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Highest: 7x10s (Me @pop3blow2 @soratami @TwistedInnocence @Remorque @savilizabeths @Maki) 1x9.4 (@Maki) 1x9 (@Sprockrooster)
Lowest: 1x0 (@DJHazey) 1x5 (@spaceship) 2x6s (@phily693 @Guy)
My Score: 10
Favorite Lyric: I love every single second and word so I can't really pick just one.
Trajectory
5 Voters: #79
10 Voters: #45
15 Voters: #31
19 Voters: #20
Total Points: 151.4
Fly On The Wall was written by Miley, Antonina Armato, Tim James and Devrim Karaoglu, and produced by Rock Mafia and Karaoglu for Miley's second album, Breakout. Y'all know who those first three people are, but this is Devrim's first mention in this rate. From what I can tell, he's a songwriter and producer, who has wroked with Rock Mafia a few times, inluding on the Selena Gomez classic Naturally, but has also done some work without him, like on the Little Boots song Broken Record. He's got some great songs under his belt. Fly On The Wall was released as the third and final single from Breakout on November 4, 2008, to limited chart success in the U.S. - a #83 peak on the Hot 100 - but had better luck in Europe, particularly the U.K., where it peaked at #16 on the Singles Chart. Boy, does the U.K. have taste. The song is a bit of a monster, with intense electric synths throughout, most prominent in the chorus, a dynamic electric guitar that isn't relied on too heavily, pounding drums that ask for your attention, and a handclap rhythm that runs throughout the verses and chorus that somehow makes the song catchier. All of these elements combine to create a forceful intensity that's compounded by the melody. The main line on the verses is almost calm, but noticeable, like it requires your attention. It speeds up a bit, at "you always second guess, wonder if...",but slows down again at the end of the line. The spaces at "knew...what..." and "firends...just..." makes you snap at attention, hanging on her every word. The end of the pre-chorus, speeds up, as if Miley's in a rush to get the words out, to keep you listening. The chorus melody is catchy, but holds the intensity thanks to the production, and that distored, hooky "fly on the wall". It all happens again for the second verse onward, but in a shorter time period, giving the song an extra kick that creates a rush that carries you right along to the end, making sure that you're paying attention to every moment, as if you're the guy she's singing about. All these things in the production and the melody come together to give the song a spy movie-like feel, which is fitting for the lyrics. The song tells a story about a guy who's way too interested and way too paranoid about Miley's activties, desparate to know everything she does, wanting to be a "fly on the wall" of her life, and her privacy. It works as a great analofy for Miley to work with, cause as she stated in an interview with MTV News, the song is "about the media" and "about how they think they know everything about me, when they don't. They want to be a fly on my wall and watch me 24/7." She elaborated on this in an interview with Access Hollywood, apparently saying "Paparazzi. I wrote it for the media, always feeling like they need to be in my life. Sometimes they just wish that they could blend in and be there all the time. And that they might know me a little bit better if they were in my house, in my room and my different places. So, it's like going to different spots and trying to get away from them and it's not going away like little annoying flies." (These exact words aren't said in that video, and the link fro Wikipedia was broken, but I assume it's accurate. I also highly recommend watching that interview, it's really interesting, and she talks about more then just the song/video.) The video adds to this theme, with a date who turns into a paparazzo due to the full moon, and Miley is stalked by a bunch of paparazzi in a parking garage, with a dance sequence inspired by Micheal Jackson's Thriller. It ends with Miley's date saving her in his car, and while she talks about what happens, it's seen he's filming her rant. It's an enjoyable video, and Miley is of course, adept at working the camera, and I'm glad it adds to the actual meaning of the song, while alluding to the boyfriend lyrics. The subject of it all is something most artists touch on at some point in their career, but Miley keeps it interesting with the boyfriend analogy, the strong production throughout, as well as her on-point vocals. She uses her voice to sound sassy, flirty, coy, annoyed and amused, almost as if she's toying with this person. In the middle-8, she goes OFF, using her voice to tell off this person for not communicating, and belting out her anger without being over the top. It's one of the best moments on the entire album. Speaking of the album, despite being separate from the general pop-rock sound, the song doesn't feel out of place. It has some base elements of a pop-rock song, particularly through the drums and guitar, but adds something fresh and different at a moment the album needed it - the halway point. That newness is held through Bottom Of The Ocean (you guys did that one WRONG) and once we get to Wake Up America, we're ready for more pop-rock goodness. It's a wonderful moment of album sequencing, and I love it even more for that. Everything about this song comes together to create a perfect 10, and honest 11-contender for me, and I'm glad it's been recognized as the Miley classic it is in here. this is the song with the most 10s so far, beating He Could Be The One, which had 5. Honestly, I'm surprised no one gave it an 11, but not extremely, as I'm sure this isn't the first song people think of when they consider songs to 11, and figured it would do just fine on its own. And it did! Top 20 is a wonderful placement, and most people at least like the song, as, aside from the low scores above, everyone gave a 7 or higher. Great taste everyone. I am a tad disappointed it didn't beat the remix, but we'll get to that later. The song was promoted with many live performances from 2008-2010, with Miley including the song in her setlist for The Wonder World Tour (during which she flies in a harness. P!nk who?) as well as her setlist for the Gypsy Heart Tour in support of Can't Be Tamed. The song was also included in the 2009 movie Race To Witch Mountain. Critcially, there was nothing but praise for it. AllMusic said it plays "like a G-rated version of Britney Spears' "Toxic" with fuzzed-out guitars and keyboards that lead into girlishly snotty vocals", The Boston Globe called it "the album's most interesting tune", the LA Times said it's "the CD’s best cut", Slant Magazine called it a "more worthy follow-up to See You Again", and The Village Voice called it "blazingly brilliant" and is "by far the best, angriest song here". I love it when critics have taste.(created by Suburbia)
Highest: 7x10s (Me @pop3blow2 @soratami @TwistedInnocence @Remorque @savilizabeths @Maki) 1x9.4 (@Maki) 1x9 (@Sprockrooster)
Lowest: 1x0 (@DJHazey) 1x5 (@spaceship) 2x6s (@phily693 @Guy)
My Score: 10
Favorite Lyric: I love every single second and word so I can't really pick just one.
Trajectory
5 Voters: #79
10 Voters: #45
15 Voters: #31
19 Voters: #20
Total Points: 151.4
I love it when you guys have taste too. But some of you don't. Let's start with the haters, like @phily693 (6) who might want to have been part of the album team: Terrible follow up single. Terrible opinion, but out of curiosity, what do you think would have been better? And then there's @DJHazey (0) who gave us our last zero of the rate and explains it with this: Never know how to score this fairly. It has become pretty documented that I despise a lot of things about it, especially during the Disney Queens rate. Miley just strays far too much into 'cheesy' with her vocals. The song sounds downright disjointed most of the time and it's like I never have a moment to breath and no that doesn't work in its favor. I know it's a benign bop-fest to many people but I just don't hear it. It's like my position on "Hello Kitty" but at least I liked that in the beginning, where as I've hated this since I saw the World Premiere of the video on MTV. That damn vocoder-ized "fly on the wall" sample or God Forbid it's actually Miley with something hellish done to her vocal, well whatever it is, it tends to haunt my dreams after hearing this just once. Since I get one 0, I might as well throw it here and call it a day. Some people give higher scores 'to help a fav' -- Well in this case I'm bumping a score down 'to help a non-fav get out sooner'. Whew, that's a lot of weird hate to have. And congrats, you succeeded, cause without your 0, it would've gone to #10. Just know I'm not mad at you. I do think you're very very worng, and will never understand your tastelessness in not liking this, but this rate could play out in 20 different ways at this point and I'd be happy with each result.
Anyway, moving on to tasteful people! @M24 (9.4) recognizes the change in sound from the album: Miley's first full electropop song in an album that's mostly pop rock songs. And it's a bop of course! I rate it highly. Yes, it's wonderful isn't it? A huge bop. And three of our 10 givers bless us with their thoughts. @Remorque can hear vocal talent: This is such a thrilling rush of a song, where she actually shows off in the middle 8. Surely ha best Hallowe'en song, n'est-ce pas? Does she...have any others? @pop3blow2 has a justifiable complaint: What kind of shit is it that this barely scraped into the charts in the US!? Not quite as amazing as See You Again, but it deserved way better. Americans lacking taste, shocker. Let's all move to New Zealand, home of @savilizabeths, who stans weird just like me: When I first heard this song the chorus made me laugh a lot. I was a kid and the strange vocals amused me. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve loved this more and more. It’s a firecracker of a song. It’s just so…weird? In the absolute best way. The bridge goes off and Miley performs this with such assurance and confidence, especially for someone of that age. It’s actually just goddamn great. Yes to all of this. It's weird, Miley revels in its weirdness, and that makes it amazing.
Please enjoy the really fun video, that deserves an extended version:
And a fucking performer everybody
Live at the AMAs:
Live at the Disney Channel Games, which I remember playing on the channel all the time that year:
Live at Rock In Rio in 2010, where she changed the line to "other girls I'm flirting with" Queen. (She's a little breathy here though.)
And of course, Live at the O2 on the Wonder World Tour. ICONIC:
And a fucking performer everybody
Live at the AMAs:
Live at the Disney Channel Games, which I remember playing on the channel all the time that year:
Live at Rock In Rio in 2010, where she changed the line to "other girls I'm flirting with" Queen. (She's a little breathy here though.)
And of course, Live at the O2 on the Wonder World Tour. ICONIC:
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He/Him
@DJHazey - I kinda agree with you about the production elements being a little too strange for me to fully stan this one - it would be one of my low scores out of the songs I knew for sure (not a zero admittedly, it isn't Nickelback Ddddd) - though The Climb would be lower for me!
I am just hoping people properly love See You Again as I think it would be my favourite of the tracks I know so far....
I am just hoping people properly love See You Again as I think it would be my favourite of the tracks I know so far....
He/Him
First part = almost completely tasteless.
Second part = TASTE.
she/her
I don't remember what one of the remaining songs actually is. Guess which.
He/Him
This wording confuses me dddd.
she/her
It means I looked at the list of songs still in and one of them had me like, "What's that?"
He/Him
Okay haha, that's what I though you meant. Hmmmm...I'm gonna guess You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home.
she/her
I remember this specifically because the title is a pretty good reminder.
He/Him
Good point. Then is it...Right Here?
she/her
You win!
He/Him
Woohoo! What's my prize?
Also, you might want a refresher on the song.
she/her
This fake cake I found on the internet:
(I tried to get you a real one but they all say happy birthday with random children's names on them)
He/Him
Awwww it looks delicious! Thanks.This fake cake I found on the internet:
(I tried to get you a real one but they all say happy birthday with random children's names on them)
(Haha well, it's the thought that counts.)
He/Him
@savilizabeths what do you think about Fly On The Wall leaving?
