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The Pussycat Dolls

Discussion in 'Comeback corner' started by Resi12, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. Girlicious has great choreography and this makes sense considering it was another one Robin's groups.
     
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  2. Mr.Arroz

    Mr.Arroz Staff Member

    And there they go.
     
  3. Nicole has just had one of the most horrifically mismanaged careers in modern pop. And some of that truly has to be bad management, but some of it is bad artistic instincts. Killer Love (some obvious filler aside) was a top tier pop album for its day. Yes, it lacked any originality - the songs were absolutely facsimiles of other hits by other female pop stars - but they were high quality rips. And she was succeeding with it overseas! And then when it came time to try and get the album out in the US she kept saying in interviews "We're going back in to make the album more urban. In the US I'm better known for more urban music". But.... it was 2011. Dance pop was ruling the airwaves. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, and Stargate era Rihanna were the biggest music stars on earth. They put Right There out as the lead single here and it managed to be a top 40 hit and then.... it was just radio silence. Don't Hold Your Breath got a digital only release, no radio. She performs some awful song about how hard it is to be pretty or something on X Factor. Doesn't get released. It was all so fucked.

    Killer Love
    Don't Hold Your Breath
    Right There
    Wet
    Say Yes

    Fin! There was no more work to be done. That was your U.S singles run, girl! And thats before we even get started on the disaster that was her next album.
     
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  4. I genuinely think Nicole being the “lead Pussycat” was damaging for her solo career because she always felt a bit forced upon us as the lead. It was too much. Always front and centre, editing the girls out of videos, singing all the vocals, etc. Beyoncé at least gave Kelly and Michelle verses and bridges and wasn’t always in the middle. It felt like the public choose Beyoncé, Justin Timberlake, etc as the breakout star (even though they were clearly getting favouritism). Whereas Nicole always came across like she was forcing herself on to the public in a mean way.
     
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  5. It always felt like a springboard for a solo career whereas Justin and Beyonce were integrated members of their groups until they naturally stood out because of their own charisma (JC was always better than Justin though). The Dolls always felt like a job to Nicole. That said, I don't think it was going to happen for her no matter what the music was like. She's incredibly talented but I don't think she's charismatic or unique enough as a persona to really break out and establish herself as a solo popstar.
     
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  6. RMK

    RMK

    I think if they released Poison in the US when it originally came out in the UK she would also be in a better position. Fall 2010 is before the RedOne sound was fatigued, and she could've been apart of the wave before it ultimately dried out. She has all the talent for performances and promotion, and could've spun that into a smash with the choreo. Her management really couldn't read the room. Maybe shoot for multiple top 40 singles rather than a number one, and trust the material the artist is making.
     
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  7. Not people coming for Nicole’s charisma. She’s absolutely charismatic when she wants to be. However, I think her personal issues have done damage to her to the point where she prefers to be a more reserved individual (and she has every right to be that).

    Killer Love died in the US because someone decided it needed to be Urban. I can see that person being Nicole herself as she always was one for the more urban vibe as opposed to the dance-pop sound (see: the “second” album). I love “Poison” but I can still remember people commenting that she was so “desperate” for a solo hit that she resorted to “copying” Lady Gaga’s sound so not sure it would’ve been a good idea in the US. Maybe “Wet” as the lead in the US but then again that’s very LOUD era Rihanna.
     
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  8. US radio was never there for her (for stupid reasons the could be anything right down to thinking her name was hard to pronounce) and that's where things ended for her. She had so many 'first singles' too. Label tried but without radio back then you were done.
     
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  9. There's a lot of factors to take into consideration, I feel like.

    The music didn't catch on that much, there wasn't a strong concept, identity or direction of who she was as a solo artist, with a lot of rebooting and course-correction which might've affected the public perception of her career ("oh, she's a flop").

    The state of the culture 15 years ago and how we viewed popstars and girlbands was... dire. I feel like her talent was extremely overlooked, and she had to do something sérious like the Phantom of the Opera and the Andrew Lloyd Webber performances for the public to start noticing how extremely talented she is.

    Add to that that she tried to branch out in a moment where pop culture was also at its meanest. Blogs like Perez Hilton were at its peak, acting like crows, and they loved a character assassination, portraying strong women as difficult and helping create narratives that ended up tainting perceptions which hurt careers like Christina's, Fergie's, Ciara's, Keri Hilson's or Nicole's.
     
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  10. If Whatever U Like and Right There couldn't smash in the US, she was doomed. Those were tailor made for US audiences/radio.
     
  11. Yeah, I felt like there was no hope after those initial attempts. The public & radio just weren’t all that interested. Bops as they may be, I think them sounding like every other pop song at the time (that could have also easily passed as PCD tracks) failed to give people a reason to be invested.
     
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  12. Whatever U Like is awful. Not a single one of the Her Name Is Nicole releases were particularly good.
     
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  13. I love Whatever U Like, it goes off whenever I include it on party playlists. But my friends and I knowing it probably has more to do with us being semi-invested in PCD leading up to it's release.

    I really love the single mix of Baby Love (that was included on some editions of Doll Domination) but I don't hear a surefire hit like I did with Whatever U Like at the time. Supervillain and the flower song were truly disturbed single choices.
     
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  14. I'd disagree that Beyonce was "integrated" in Destiny's Child when it was mostly a glorified Matthew Knowles social experiment for her to eventually make it solo. It took years for her to wipe off a similar image that Nicole had with PCD.

    I think it was just luck and a bit of age. She was nearing 30 when she tried to break out solo, which is a harder age to build a fanbase. But, Whatever U Like could've definitely smashed in 2007.
     
  15. RMK

    RMK

    They could've tried the dance tracks rather than the Rihanna approach.
     
  16. Whatever U Like remains iconic and a banger. It just wasn't to be. Would have smashed as a PCD track for sure though.

    Also with some acts like Justin, Gwen, Bey people go 'oh I'd love to see her solo!' and with some like Nicole, Nick Carter or the Texas lady people were just fine with them being part of their bands. Imagine if all that effort and good songs went to a second PCD album.
     
  17. kal

    kal

    Let’s not pretend the majority of Doll Domination wasn’t Nicole’s scrapped solo album.
     
  18. Yes but I mean if they had not wasted time and followed PCD immediately and not when they did, not talking about the actual material.
     
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  19. Yeah them going on hiatus after gathering such momentum with the debut was criminal and it showed with the commercial performance of the second album. I understand Nicole felt like time was ticking on her solo career but they could have been so much more as a band if they just kept going.
     
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  20. Nicole's self-obsessed, always front and center image from the PCD era didn't help but I believe that at the end of the day it's about the music. And Nicole's solo offers just weren't good enough - Whatever U Like was a bop but it wasnt radio friendly at all and the less said about the others the better. Conversely if she had come out with When I Grow Up as a solo artist in 2008 I believe it would have smashed anyway.
     
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