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I looked up the last rate before I sent my votes in and was so relieved everybody seemed to hate 'Gentleman' as much as I did!
The Saturdays 2022 Re-Rate - Results - [FINALE]
- Thread starter DJHazey
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Between this and losing Blue so early in PJ00s, what's happening?
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6.39
Wordshaker Rank | 11th (11th in 2015)
VIPs | @Sally_Harper (10) @Hazey's Mom (10) @Ezz (9)
Villains | @AfternoonsInUtopia (1) @imaduck (2.38)
Rank Change | +2
Score Change | +0.49
Most Solo Time | Vanessa, Una, and Mollie
Hazey Says | Not much to praise about this, it’s cute at times but that’s about it. I can’t really get behind it completely because it sounds like a failed attempt at a 2000-era Britney midtempo/ballad with a bubbly chorus. So, I guess that’s when you guys are always calling songs derivative. (4)
This was almost the name of the album, but the band decided to go with a made-up word instead, so when you Google the word, only their album shows up. (Five Business Moguls) This was also the first song to have all five band members listed with songwriting credits (along with Ina Wroldsen)
In 2015, most people just thought it was one word: “cute” but ultimately nothing to write home about.
Commentary
@Sally_Harper (10) - I feel like everyone else is going to tank this but I love it, it’s been one of my favourites since the album was released. To change the lyrics slightly, I know, that it’s cheesy and lame, but it’s so, lovely, etc. All five sound great, the music speaks to me on a “this could be in a Sonic game” level, and I love the “Deeeeeeeep” harmonies in the chorus.
@Hazey's Mom (10) - Wonderful vocals and harmonies!
@Ezz (9) - Love the layered vocals and Vanessa's ad libs.
@Phonetics Girl (6) - Ok, this can go as the sacrificial lamb of downtempos!
@Scaper (6) - Dated before it was even recorded.
@Attis (6) - My God how many midtempos are stuffed in this album.
@daninternational (4.5) - The high key vocals and the production choices.gif make this a bit of a boring mess.
@louciano (3) - They should stay away from ballads.
In 2015, Deeper was barely beaten by "2am" (#72 vs. #69) and the album got a break before "Not Good Enough's" untimely exit. Both are faaar better songs than this, so hopefully the album gets a long break this time.
Shoutout Queens
The only ladies that ever got mentions for this have been Mollie and Vanessa, so although it's 3 to 2 in favor of the former, we'll call this a Monessa song.
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Back to the B-Sides with the next cut at #69, after Beggin' and Bigger were the first two B-Sides to leave us.
With 'Gentleman' I actually don't care about the lyrics, the tune and tone they're delivered in is horrid.
The production and hooks to the song feel so darn forced with the delivery of the vocals on those hooks, that it doesn't let the flow of the song feel natural.
I even made an edit of the song that removed the irredeemable rap. But then much later I just deleted the whole thing from my library. I just scored my zero from memory.
The production and hooks to the song feel so darn forced with the delivery of the vocals on those hooks, that it doesn't let the flow of the song feel natural.
I even made an edit of the song that removed the irredeemable rap. But then much later I just deleted the whole thing from my library. I just scored my zero from memory.
My Balladphobic self gave You Don't Have The Right 6, which is not in my Bottom 12 tracks.
Gentleman was my lowest score in the Rate with a 4.
Deeper is unfairly maligned. It's a lovely little song, in my top half of the album. Still it 'only' got 7.6.
Gentleman was my lowest score in the Rate with a 4.
Deeper is unfairly maligned. It's a lovely little song, in my top half of the album. Still it 'only' got 7.6.
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6.40
B-Sides Rank | 16th (14th in 2015)
VIPs | @JMRGBY @Guy @RUNAWAY (10)
Villains | @imaduck (0.7) @AfternoonsInUtopia (2)
Rank Change | -3
Score Change | +0.30
Most Solo Time | Everyone but Mollie
Hazey Says | I like the “so why can’t you show the world I’m yours…” part of the chorus, but the rest of the song borders on sounding like a demo. As if the song wasn’t officially supposed to be part of their discography dd. (5)
It was written and recorded by Vanessa before she joined the band, then they picked it up off the cutting room floor for the debut album. Well, that explains why I think it sounds unfinished at times.
Voters in 2015 loved how vulnerable the girls sound on this, even if this raw aspect led others to be critical of the vocals. There were also some that pointed to how clunky some of the lyrics were and how off-key the song itself seemed to be in places. Like I said, this one is rough but has potential, especially the part of the chorus I pointed out, which was heralded by many.
Commentary
@Ezz (9) - This is absolutely gorgeous, especially the choruses as they build up to that higher register…
@Phonetics Girl (8.5) - This cheap r'nb sound is so nostalgic of the late 00s fff
@Hazey's Mom (8) - It should be unofficial. (Hazey: I think she meant that they could do without it. Scored a bit high for that comment, I'd think.)
@Sally_Harper (8) - This is overall quite lovely. Didn’t Vanessa write it when she was about fifteen or something? Talent. Una’s big note is a bit…piercing.
@saviodxl (6.2) - R&B reject. Would work better for a R&B artist I guess…
@daninternational (3) - Definitely sounds like a B Side
@louciano (2.5) - Una sounds absolutely awful. This one is completely inessential and is so obscenely 2008.
The theme this time around is pretty much the same, lacking polish with the added description of sounding like it's from an R&B queen's trash bin. We've heard people clamor in the thread for its elimination, so here you go.
Shoutout Queen
Nobody has ever much to say about this one, except for a couple positive comments about Vanessa.
Surprise, a double elimination! Might as well lose my first 10, though I am proud of its positive movement in the rankings.
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6.47
Living for the Weekend Rank | 10th (12th in 2015)
VIPs | DJHazey @daninternational (10) @Ezz (9.75)
Villains | @AfternoonsInUtopia @Guy (1) @Ugly Beauty (2)
Rank Change | +7
Score Change | +1.26
Most Solo Time | Vanessa and Rochelle
Hazey Says | I can never get enough of the beat and that “gone-gone-gone” pop gunfire in the chorus.
Seriously, this has always slayed so hard and still sounds as exciting to me today as it did the first time I played it. (something many other songs from the album don't benefit from) I’ll never understand how it gets so much hatred; quite possibly the most bizarre ranking I’ve ever seen in a discography rate. Popjustice should be eating this up! So proud @GhettoPrincess and I were the only two to hand out 10’s in 2015. Damn I miss her!
6.40
B-Sides Rank | 16th (14th in 2015)
VIPs | @JMRGBY @Guy @RUNAWAY (10)
Villains | @imaduck (0.7) @AfternoonsInUtopia (2)
Rank Change | -3
Score Change | +0.30
Most Solo Time | Everyone but Mollie
Hazey Says | I like the “so why can’t you show the world I’m yours…” part of the chorus, but the rest of the song borders on sounding like a demo. As if the song wasn’t officially supposed to be part of their discography dd. (5)
It was written and recorded by Vanessa before she joined the band, then they picked it up off the cutting room floor for the debut album. Well, that explains why I think it sounds unfinished at times.
Voters in 2015 loved how vulnerable the girls sound on this, even if this raw aspect led others to be critical of the vocals. There were also some that pointed to how clunky some of the lyrics were and how off-key the song itself seemed to be in places. Like I said, this one is rough but has potential, especially the part of the chorus I pointed out, which was heralded by many.
Commentary
@Ezz (9) - This is absolutely gorgeous, especially the choruses as they build up to that higher register…
@Phonetics Girl (8.5) - This cheap r'nb sound is so nostalgic of the late 00s fff
@Hazey's Mom (8) - It should be unofficial. (Hazey: I think she meant that they could do without it. Scored a bit high for that comment, I'd think.)
@Sally_Harper (8) - This is overall quite lovely. Didn’t Vanessa write it when she was about fifteen or something? Talent. Una’s big note is a bit…piercing.
@saviodxl (6.2) - R&B reject. Would work better for a R&B artist I guess…
@daninternational (3) - Definitely sounds like a B Side
@louciano (2.5) - Una sounds absolutely awful. This one is completely inessential and is so obscenely 2008.
The theme this time around is pretty much the same, lacking polish with the added description of sounding like it's from an R&B queen's trash bin. We've heard people clamor in the thread for its elimination, so here you go.
Shoutout Queen
Nobody has ever much to say about this one, except for a couple positive comments about Vanessa.
Surprise, a double elimination! Might as well lose my first 10, though I am proud of its positive movement in the rankings.
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6.47
Living for the Weekend Rank | 10th (12th in 2015)
VIPs | DJHazey @daninternational (10) @Ezz (9.75)
Villains | @AfternoonsInUtopia @Guy (1) @Ugly Beauty (2)
Rank Change | +7
Score Change | +1.26
Most Solo Time | Vanessa and Rochelle
Hazey Says | I can never get enough of the beat and that “gone-gone-gone” pop gunfire in the chorus.
Got tanked in 2015 for dated/grating production choices and vocals from Vanessa that might be a little over the top. Probably also thrown into the bin for being too basic and God forbid there’s a pop song with too many one-word crescendos. Gasp.
Commentary
@daninternational (10) - The problem with bops is, it's so hard to live without it.
@Ezz (9.75) - Their vocals really shine through here and create a brilliant dramatic feel.
@Hazey's Mom (9) - It's fun, but a tad too repetitive.
@Phonetics Girl (9) - This sounds like a Danity Kane reject that someone sprinkled some dubstep on to make it more current but in the end just made it more dated fff and yet I live.
@Sally_Harper (7) - There are a lot of things I like in this song, although I think Mollie gets the best moments, namely “to catch my faa-aaa-aaaALLLL” and “Orahotdayinthes-classwiththewindowstinted UH OH” I don’t like the breakdown though, and that part goes on way too long so that lowers my score a bit.
@louciano (4.25) - Okay chorus, the repetition is really grating and brings down the song a lot. I am a sucker for a well-pulled-off dubstep breakdown though.
I am loving how the commentary is mostly positive this time around! Treating it like the inoffensive and massive bop it is. A dubstep breakdown is always going to sound of its time and put people on one side of the fence or other, but honestly, I sometimes forget it's even a part of the song when the chorus slices and dices me into little pieces to this day.
Shoutout Queen
This song has gotten mostly negative or apathetic treatment over the years, so it's not surprising that shoutouts haven't always been common for it, but Mollie takes another one with her 3.
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Per tradition, I try to get eliminations in everyday of the week except Sundays. My day off. So, see you on Monday with #67; another B-Side.
Commentary
@daninternational (10) - The problem with bops is, it's so hard to live without it.
@Ezz (9.75) - Their vocals really shine through here and create a brilliant dramatic feel.
@Hazey's Mom (9) - It's fun, but a tad too repetitive.
@Phonetics Girl (9) - This sounds like a Danity Kane reject that someone sprinkled some dubstep on to make it more current but in the end just made it more dated fff and yet I live.
@Sally_Harper (7) - There are a lot of things I like in this song, although I think Mollie gets the best moments, namely “to catch my faa-aaa-aaaALLLL” and “Orahotdayinthes-classwiththewindowstinted UH OH” I don’t like the breakdown though, and that part goes on way too long so that lowers my score a bit.
@louciano (4.25) - Okay chorus, the repetition is really grating and brings down the song a lot. I am a sucker for a well-pulled-off dubstep breakdown though.
I am loving how the commentary is mostly positive this time around! Treating it like the inoffensive and massive bop it is. A dubstep breakdown is always going to sound of its time and put people on one side of the fence or other, but honestly, I sometimes forget it's even a part of the song when the chorus slices and dices me into little pieces to this day.
Shoutout Queen
This song has gotten mostly negative or apathetic treatment over the years, so it's not surprising that shoutouts haven't always been common for it, but Mollie takes another one with her 3.
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Per tradition, I try to get eliminations in everyday of the week except Sundays. My day off. So, see you on Monday with #67; another B-Side.
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Hazey I think your mom is right! Happy day off to you!
Booo! Unofficial is one of their best demos. Eliminated before What Am I Gonna Do? Make that make sense! I remember them making such a big deal that they were releasing a song that one of them had written, it was cute.
I'm fine with Problem With Love leaving. Although i'm also surprised PJ is not here for this song, for once were on the same page.
I'm fine with Problem With Love leaving. Although i'm also surprised PJ is not here for this song, for once were on the same page.
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Patiently waiting for my low scores to start falling while we're eliminating competent-to-great songs. Don't Let Me Dance Alone has always felt like a far more annoying sister to Problem With Love, so I have to reiterate this order of eliminations is a damn mess.
Let this be echoed across the pages of this thread!
Unofficial is nice, but bland. They should've kept the “so why can’t you show the world I’m yours…” part and thrown out the rest. 5.2.
The chorus of Problem With Love is great. I don't care about S-classes or Blackberry's. I gave it 6.3 although listening now I should've gone higher.
The chorus of Problem With Love is great. I don't care about S-classes or Blackberry's. I gave it 6.3 although listening now I should've gone higher.
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Well, there's the problem
Unofficial is great! If I'd thought about it I'd have realised it was going to suffer here but I really like it.
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6.59
B-Sides Rank | 15th (12th in 2015)
VIPs | @Phonetics Girl (10) @Untouchable Ace (9.3) @RUNAWAY (9.25)
Villains | @AfternoonsInUtopia (0) @Elysium (1)
Rank Change | -3
Score Change | +0.42
Most Solo Time | Vanessa
Hazey Says | Easily the best part is Una and Frankie’s middle eight, what an expected rush whenever it comes in and switches up the pace of the song beautifully. (8)
Their first B-Side, paired with If This Is Love.
A lot of voters in 2015 found it to be an average B-Side at best, but many of the original Sats fans have nostalgic memories of playing it when they bought the first single. Some of them were hoping they had kept to this style of song throughout their discography, because in the end, it ended up standing out as an aberration.
Commentary
@Phonetics Girl (10) - Forever underrated murky late 80s jam. A true outlier in their discog and I love those.
@Ezz (7.5) - Yet more adoration for Una's deeper/raspier vocals…
@Attis (7.5) - Unusual sound for them but pretty forgettable.
@Sally_Harper (7) - I still remember the first time I played this and the excitement of a whole new studio song to listen to after weeks of playing iffy quality live songs from the Tangled Up tour. It’s not up there with my favourites now but it’s still pretty good.
@daninternational (7) - The weird 'buzz' in the backing lowers my score, in a song that feels like a reinterpretation of an uptempo song rather than its own song.
@louciano (5.5) - Feels a bit like 21 era Adele meets The Saturdays? Nothing exciting here.
I don't hear the Adele comparison at all, but then again I only know her singles, maybe she has more interesting album tracks dd. Again, the song gets credit for being a different sound for the band, but that wasn't enough to prevent it from tumbling down a few slots in the B-Side rankings. Poor
@Phonetics Girl is getting slaughtered in the early going, losing favorites left and right. I'm sorry, I don't agree with this going quite yet either.
Shoutout Queen
The only shoutouts this one ever got were for this rate and Una takes it with her two mentions.
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With #66, we'll go back to the later albums.
6.59
B-Sides Rank | 15th (12th in 2015)
VIPs | @Phonetics Girl (10) @Untouchable Ace (9.3) @RUNAWAY (9.25)
Villains | @AfternoonsInUtopia (0) @Elysium (1)
Rank Change | -3
Score Change | +0.42
Most Solo Time | Vanessa
Hazey Says | Easily the best part is Una and Frankie’s middle eight, what an expected rush whenever it comes in and switches up the pace of the song beautifully. (8)
Their first B-Side, paired with If This Is Love.
A lot of voters in 2015 found it to be an average B-Side at best, but many of the original Sats fans have nostalgic memories of playing it when they bought the first single. Some of them were hoping they had kept to this style of song throughout their discography, because in the end, it ended up standing out as an aberration.
Commentary
@Phonetics Girl (10) - Forever underrated murky late 80s jam. A true outlier in their discog and I love those.
@Ezz (7.5) - Yet more adoration for Una's deeper/raspier vocals…
@Attis (7.5) - Unusual sound for them but pretty forgettable.
@Sally_Harper (7) - I still remember the first time I played this and the excitement of a whole new studio song to listen to after weeks of playing iffy quality live songs from the Tangled Up tour. It’s not up there with my favourites now but it’s still pretty good.
@daninternational (7) - The weird 'buzz' in the backing lowers my score, in a song that feels like a reinterpretation of an uptempo song rather than its own song.
@louciano (5.5) - Feels a bit like 21 era Adele meets The Saturdays? Nothing exciting here.
I don't hear the Adele comparison at all, but then again I only know her singles, maybe she has more interesting album tracks dd. Again, the song gets credit for being a different sound for the band, but that wasn't enough to prevent it from tumbling down a few slots in the B-Side rankings. Poor
@Phonetics Girl is getting slaughtered in the early going, losing favorites left and right. I'm sorry, I don't agree with this going quite yet either.
Shoutout Queen
The only shoutouts this one ever got were for this rate and Una takes it with her two mentions.
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With #66, we'll go back to the later albums.
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66
6.63
Living for the Weekend Rank | 9th (6th in 2015)
VIPs | @AfternoonsInUtopia @Hazey's Mom @Phonetics Girl (10)
Villains | @If You Go (0) @JMRGBY (1)
Rank Change | -21
Score Change | -0.27
Most Solo Time | Una and Rochelle
Hazey Says | Una sounds great all the way through and Rochelle on the middle eight, otherwise it’s a pretty generic-sounding pop song. Inoffensive but never really moves the needle. (6)
A favorite of the band, who wanted to release it as a single. They did do an acoustic of this in Transmitter Studios.
A remix by The Collective was released with the Not Giving Up single.
Much of the discussion revolved around the fear of it ever having become a single and being able to picture Una whipping out her guitar to perform it. The old Popjustice syndrome of seeing a guitar and running the other direction. Others pointed out how the song reminded them of others, with Here Standing getting mentioned, and samples being identified. Those that loved it were quick to throw most of their praise right at Una with Rochelle being the underrated sidekick.
Commentary
@Phonetics Girl (10) - I can't lie, I do love a bit of Skylar Grey. Amazed how they didn't even credit the Coming Home author!
@Ezz (9) - Again, it's quite far removed from their usual, is this one of the ones that's most focused just on two vocalists for the main parts?
@louciano (8.25) - The post-chorus sounds absolutely amazing, and the middle eight is great too, but the verses drag the song down a tad.
@saviodxl (8) - Una and Rochelle own it here.
@Sally_Harper (8) - This is mostly lovely, and Rochelle and Una sound great in the chorus, but I’m not a fan of the rushed delivery on the verses, especially Vanessa’s. Una’s “Cause I’m coming home” sections make me cry, every time, for no real reason, so I have to be careful about when I listen to this - I have to be a bit miserable, basically.
@daninternational (4) - Trite lyrics, unoriginal and done better before.
Mostly positive comments here, so you'd like to hear from those low scorers above as well as the few 3's that were sprinkled in the scores as well. They helped to decimate Leave a Light On and send it 21 spots down from the last rate. Not really fussed about it myself, but I'm sure it won't sit well with a few.
Shoutout Queens
We saw in the commentary here, that this is basically the Rochuna show. They got 9 and 8 shoutouts over the years with anyone else only ever getting 1.
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Tomorrow at #65 and #64, we have our first tie with a song each from the early albums and later albums.
6.63
Living for the Weekend Rank | 9th (6th in 2015)
VIPs | @AfternoonsInUtopia @Hazey's Mom @Phonetics Girl (10)
Villains | @If You Go (0) @JMRGBY (1)
Rank Change | -21
Score Change | -0.27
Most Solo Time | Una and Rochelle
Hazey Says | Una sounds great all the way through and Rochelle on the middle eight, otherwise it’s a pretty generic-sounding pop song. Inoffensive but never really moves the needle. (6)
A favorite of the band, who wanted to release it as a single. They did do an acoustic of this in Transmitter Studios.
A remix by The Collective was released with the Not Giving Up single.
Much of the discussion revolved around the fear of it ever having become a single and being able to picture Una whipping out her guitar to perform it. The old Popjustice syndrome of seeing a guitar and running the other direction. Others pointed out how the song reminded them of others, with Here Standing getting mentioned, and samples being identified. Those that loved it were quick to throw most of their praise right at Una with Rochelle being the underrated sidekick.
Commentary
@Phonetics Girl (10) - I can't lie, I do love a bit of Skylar Grey. Amazed how they didn't even credit the Coming Home author!
@Ezz (9) - Again, it's quite far removed from their usual, is this one of the ones that's most focused just on two vocalists for the main parts?
@louciano (8.25) - The post-chorus sounds absolutely amazing, and the middle eight is great too, but the verses drag the song down a tad.
@saviodxl (8) - Una and Rochelle own it here.
@Sally_Harper (8) - This is mostly lovely, and Rochelle and Una sound great in the chorus, but I’m not a fan of the rushed delivery on the verses, especially Vanessa’s. Una’s “Cause I’m coming home” sections make me cry, every time, for no real reason, so I have to be careful about when I listen to this - I have to be a bit miserable, basically.
@daninternational (4) - Trite lyrics, unoriginal and done better before.
Mostly positive comments here, so you'd like to hear from those low scorers above as well as the few 3's that were sprinkled in the scores as well. They helped to decimate Leave a Light On and send it 21 spots down from the last rate. Not really fussed about it myself, but I'm sure it won't sit well with a few.
Shoutout Queens
We saw in the commentary here, that this is basically the Rochuna show. They got 9 and 8 shoutouts over the years with anyone else only ever getting 1.
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Tomorrow at #65 and #64, we have our first tie with a song each from the early albums and later albums.
I really like Leave A Light On. They barely made any changes from the Amber Riley original though which is a shame.
I never knew this was originally intended for Amber Riley. That kind of explains why their vocals sound so strained. It feels like the song isn't suited for them at all (bar Una).