The Saturdays 2022 Re-Rate - Results - [FINALE]
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The sample is the other way around then
So you are basically accusing me of trying to rig the rate? To be fair, this is the very first time I've taken part in one, i like The Saturdays a lot, and for the most part i enjoy most of their tracks (46 tracks i gave 8 or “Higher”) and know their discography inside and out hence why i took part in this one! So its a bit unfair to assume this, i personally think those tracks in particular are utter crap and i avoid them at all costs, nothing more, nothing less, i also somehow fail to believe my votes alone would make that much of a difference at all, i certainly wouldn't know beforehand what order they would have appeared in so to say about “6 out of 7 songs in a row being rated 10s,1s & 0s” is a bit ridiculous in itself. Out of 78 tracks, 10 tracks i gave 0 points, 9 tracks i gave 1 point thats hardly going to affect the whole rate really isnt it?
Cliche as it is to say this but pop music is subjective and what one person thinks is great another thinks the opposite, its as simple as that. Theres no need to get so irritated and start making accusations over other peoples ratings just because you think its “ridiculous” that someone else has a differing opinion to yours. If you like them, good for you, I'm not bashing you for liking them, i personally just cannot stand those tracks, that is all, and given them ratings based on what i personally (& honestly) think they deserve, not what everyone else thinks of them. Isn't this the whole point of a ranking?
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Ok, fair enough if this was your first one, but giving one quarter of the songs in a rate a 0 or a 1 is ridiculous and something most hosts would almost certainly see as a troll ballot (I know I would). What you're saying is that, aside from only eleven songs, you gave everything here a 0-1 or 8-10 score, which is very extreme and feels more like treating this as pressing a "like" or "dislike" button on the songs rather than actually rating them on a 0-10 scale. And there's no denying a ballot consisting almost entirely of extreme scores like that is going to impact the leaderboard much more than anyone else's. Anyway, I'm not saying you did it on purpose, but just in future rates it might be better to try being a bit less drastic with your scores.
To be fair that's kind of an insane amount and not usually the norm in rates. In my opinion people should really only be allowed one 0 in rates, just like they get one 11.
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Let's do the Chasing Lights elimination first, which gives the album a Top 5
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Chasing Lights Rank | 6th (6th in 2015)
VIPs | @AfternoonsInUtopia @Shockbox @slaybellz @MilesAngel @Guy (10)
Villains | @Elysium @Mistress of All Evil (4) @iheartpoptarts (5)
Rank Change | +5
Score Change | +0.38
Most Solo Time | Vanessa and Rochelle
Hazey Says | Those pulsating synths and “SHUT UP AND READ MY LIPS CUZ BOY YOU MAKE ME SICK” whew, what a strong melody on that chorus. Middle eight kinda sucks, but this is solid. (9)
Was thought to be the potential second single for Chasing Lights at one point.
Performed on many tours and events, including in support of the Tangled Up Tour for Girls Aloud.
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Chasing Lights Rank | 6th (6th in 2015)
VIPs | @AfternoonsInUtopia @Shockbox @slaybellz @MilesAngel @Guy (10)
Villains | @Elysium @Mistress of All Evil (4) @iheartpoptarts (5)
Rank Change | +5
Score Change | +0.38
Most Solo Time | Vanessa and Rochelle
Hazey Says | Those pulsating synths and “SHUT UP AND READ MY LIPS CUZ BOY YOU MAKE ME SICK” whew, what a strong melody on that chorus. Middle eight kinda sucks, but this is solid. (9)
Was thought to be the potential second single for Chasing Lights at one point.
Performed on many tours and events, including in support of the Tangled Up Tour for Girls Aloud.
The perception in the last rate is that some thought it was the single that could’ve been, while others figured it was overrated because of that narrative. One thing most agreed upon is that the chorus is clearly the strong point and other parts of the song fall way short in comparison.
Commentary
@Shockbox (10) - I used to obsessively play this song when Chasing Lights came out, should have been a single.
@daninternational (9.5) - This reminds me of FROM ABOVE. Bop.
@Phonetics Girl (9.5) - I can't put my finger on what is missing but Keep Her is one step away from perfect. Maybe I just overplayed it but I keep wanting something extra that, while stellar, it just fails to deliver.
@Sally_Harper (9) - This is such a great song. Obviously I have to give Frankie’s “READ MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIPS WHOAAAAAAAAA” adlib a special mention, especially since she actually used to do it live. I wish it had been a single, if only because then they would have performed the amazing ribbon dance routine on all the breakfast shows.
@louciano (8.25) - The intro sounds a bit like On a Mission by Gabriella Cilmi, with the verses being reminiscent of those in Joy Division by Sugababes. A good combination if you ask me.
@Ezz (8) - Love the harmonizing on the verses.
@saviodxl (7.6) - Love the "I'm stronger without you" attitude, but this was always meant to be just an album track.
I definitely hear the "On a Mission" comparison in my head right now, good call. This was one of those Chasing Lights album tracks I never used to give much of a thought about, but this rate helped me realize how good a lot of them are.
Shoutout Queen
@Sally_Harper will be pleased to know, their shoutout gave Frankie the edge.
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This is also a bit extreme, the scale had always been 0-10, then the 11 got added, if anything allow one (-1) score, but 0's are just like 10's, but on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Yeah, the extremes strategy was probably a bit much, but not everyone scores all songs 7-10, which is what most people do so that if anyone does anything different that are taken aback by it.
So what the hell is the point in doing a rate in that case? What your saying is coming across a tad hypocritical right now.
You said this better than i ever could! Also i read the rules, and tried following a few other rates to get an idea of what to do before i came into this one, i genuinely thought this would be great fun to take part in a rate of a group whose back cat I'm entirely familiar with but after being reprimanded by people in here for my scores i think its safe to say this will be the last time if people get precious over rankings, its just totally sucked the fun out of it for me.
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I'm assuming you would ask them to re-do it then? I'm willing to bet you only ask to adjust all the low scores, but in this case the number of high scores is pretty much as the same as low ones. It doesn't seem appropriate that a bunch of 10's are still allowed but 0's aren't? See the issue here? People have the 0-10 scale to use in whatever way they want, as long as there is some kind of balance. If they hate a song and feel it gets the lowest score they're allowed to give, fine. As long as they aren't giving everything 0's, 1's, and 2's and then only a few songs a 10 that they want to win, I don't see the harm. I've gotten a few of those type of ballots over the years and I did ask the voters to re-do them before accepting. To me, that's trying to rig the board.
Also they have very few low scores left among the last 29 here (I think only like 2 and only one is a 0) so there's that too. The reason I'd mention that, is that means there's not any "oh I know people love this and I don't want it being in contention to win, so let's 0 it" -- I simply just think they don't like the songs at all, that they gave 0's and 1's to.
Varied ballots make for more interesting results anyway, rather than everyone sending in 'love fest' ballots with only high score across the board of 6+.
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I don't see how giving a lot of high scores is an issue or comparable to giving a lot of low ones, people who take part in rates are expected to generally like the music they're rating, so it goes with the territory. The issue with having a ton of super low scores is not a me thing either (and I've only ever actually asked someone to revise their ballot a bit one single time across the six rates I've hosted), most hosts aren't happy to receive that kind of ballot - to give a couple of current examples, in the BPG rate people are only allowed to give one 0, and in the KSOTY rate (the yearly K-Pop rate) people have to justify their sub-4 scores. I know everyone has their own way of scoring songs, but giving a 0/1 to literally one quarter of the list just seems absolutely wild to me, pretty sure that's not something I've ever witnessed in any rate I've ever taken part in.
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If someone told me that I had to justify every sub-4 score...to me that's too much and I wouldn't participate in a rate doing that. I also have only seen the "one 0" thing one time and I didn't partake in that rate because of that factor alone. I don't like that kind of policing of scores. I mean, hosts might as well just say "You can score all the songs from 4-10" and call it a day. Some people take songs and put them into categories, like one category is 0-3, 4-6, 7-9, and 10's. Then after doing that put a score from that category next to each one. I know plenty of discographies where I love enough of the songs to participate and yet have plenty of songs I hate too and I'll score them accordingly. Also, some people will rate the songs against only that artist's material, so the worst songs are the worst for that artist, therefore a 0. Everyone does it differently.
Trust me, I can sympathize with both sides here. I know it stings to see a favorite song getting a 0, but what might be an amazing work of art to your ears is nails on a chalkboard to someone else and it is what it is.
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B-Side part of the tie incoming soon.
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Between the four remaining B-Sides we have, "Not That Kinda Girl" was the lowest ranked in 2015. Not this time.
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B-Sides Rank | 4th (3rd in 2015)
VIPs | @slaybellz @saviodxl @MilesAngel @Untouchable Ace @Remorque (10)
Villains | @imaduck (0.42) @AfternoonsInUtopia @Duppe (5)
Rank Change | -6
Score Change | -0.15
Most Solo Time | Vanessa
Hazey Says | Not sure it deserves such a lofty title as one of their best B-Sides, but it does pop off at just about every corner. Vanessa sounds great especially at that “And I realize…” bit and Una is incredible in the middle eight. (9)
This was the B-Side for Ego and the title for the B-Sides Collection that came with the Finest Selection box set. It was co-written by Popjustice fav Hannah Robinson.
This was pretty much universally called the single that never was with a couple saying stuff like ‘better than most pop acts’ lead singles’ and others saying all of their B-Side are like this with Flashback being the frontrunner so ‘when will your favs?’ Una’s middle eight was once again tabbed as the song’s highlight and the lyrics really hit home with a few.
Commentary
@saviodxl (10) - All I can think it's that this was supposed to be at least an album track that was downgraded to B-side arbitrarily.
@Phonetics Girl (8.5) - Damn, the Wordshaker era really does not get its dues for serving all these competent bops.
@Sally_Harper (8) - Classic relatable bop, and all of them sound great (poor Mollie).
@daninternational (7.75) - Cheesy pop, but in a good way.
@loucaino (6.25) - Vanessa sounds pretty bad on the verses, but the chorus is really exhilarating that I cannot penalize it too much.
Vanessa getting criticized for anything on this song, I think not! How about the total kii of @AfternoonsInUtopia having a 5 on the very next song after the controversy of a polar-extremes ballot. You can make this stuff up!
Shoutout Queen
Una takes it 4-to-2 over Vanessa, as she starts to pull away from Mollie in the standings.
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Just one tomorrow and it's one of the final three B-Sides!
30 (tie)
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B-Sides Rank | 4th (3rd in 2015)
VIPs | @slaybellz @saviodxl @MilesAngel @Untouchable Ace @Remorque (10)
Villains | @imaduck (0.42) @AfternoonsInUtopia @Duppe (5)
Rank Change | -6
Score Change | -0.15
Most Solo Time | Vanessa
Hazey Says | Not sure it deserves such a lofty title as one of their best B-Sides, but it does pop off at just about every corner. Vanessa sounds great especially at that “And I realize…” bit and Una is incredible in the middle eight. (9)
This was the B-Side for Ego and the title for the B-Sides Collection that came with the Finest Selection box set. It was co-written by Popjustice fav Hannah Robinson.
This was pretty much universally called the single that never was with a couple saying stuff like ‘better than most pop acts’ lead singles’ and others saying all of their B-Side are like this with Flashback being the frontrunner so ‘when will your favs?’ Una’s middle eight was once again tabbed as the song’s highlight and the lyrics really hit home with a few.
Commentary
@saviodxl (10) - All I can think it's that this was supposed to be at least an album track that was downgraded to B-side arbitrarily.
@Phonetics Girl (8.5) - Damn, the Wordshaker era really does not get its dues for serving all these competent bops.
@Sally_Harper (8) - Classic relatable bop, and all of them sound great (poor Mollie).
@daninternational (7.75) - Cheesy pop, but in a good way.
@loucaino (6.25) - Vanessa sounds pretty bad on the verses, but the chorus is really exhilarating that I cannot penalize it too much.
Vanessa getting criticized for anything on this song, I think not! How about the total kii of @AfternoonsInUtopia having a 5 on the very next song after the controversy of a polar-extremes ballot. You can make this stuff up!
Shoutout Queen
Una takes it 4-to-2 over Vanessa, as she starts to pull away from Mollie in the standings.
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Just one tomorrow and it's one of the final three B-Sides!
I wish I could Flashback to a time when I didn't know this was eliminated.
In my mind, I'm replacing one of the vowels in your username with another.
Seriously, Flashback had to come next after all of that nonsense earlier, the irony! Anyway apologies to everyone on my part for coming off topic.
I have a bit of a love hate relationship with that one, I'm probably in the minority here, but bar a handful, i was never overly enamoured by many of their B-Sides to be honest. But i do get why others do.
I have a bit of a love hate relationship with that one, I'm probably in the minority here, but bar a handful, i was never overly enamoured by many of their B-Sides to be honest. But i do get why others do.