The Saturdays - On Your Radar

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SBK

Its perfectly fair. Its only unfair because The Saturdays are losing in your opinion.

There's nothing stopping them releasing their next single the normal way? The Saturdays, management, and label decided to go this route, and I'm sure the sales will be fine.

You need to get over chart positions. They've been irrelevant for a while now.

And also, every single that JLS have released after a their albums been released has technically been on air on sale, and they'd still managed to get to #1.


The Saturdays also didn't really help their cause by assuming the on air / on holiday method of promotion.
 
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Seanie said:
Its perfectly fair. Its only unfair because The Saturdays are losing in your opinion.

There's nothing stopping them releasing their next single the normal way? The Saturdays, management, and label decided to go this route, and I'm sure the sales will be fine.

You need to get over chart positions. They've been irrelevant for a while now.

And also, every single that JLS have released after a their albums been released has technically been on air on sale, and they'd still managed to get to #1.
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JLS have never had a On Air, On Sale #1, the only JLS single released in that format is One Shot. Eyes Wide Shut had a 'single mix' but both were not #1.

Beat Again, Everybody In Love, Club Is Alive and Love You More were all released before the Album(s) and got #1.
 
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Gareth18

Seanie said:
Its perfectly fair. Its only unfair because The Saturdays are losing in your opinion.

There's nothing stopping them releasing their next single the normal way? The Saturdays, management, and label decided to go this route, and I'm sure the sales will be fine.

You need to get over chart positions. They've been irrelevant for a while now.

And also, every single that JLS have released after a their albums been released has technically been on air on sale, and they'd still managed to get to #1.
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All of their number ones they got before releasing their albums, but it didn't stop their other singles doing well (One Shot and Eyes Wide Shut have still done better overall than The Club Is Alive).
EDIT: Hmmmt beat me to it.

Chart positions do matter to a lot of artists especially groups like JLS so they get a nice big intro before their x factor performances. In the case of The Saturdays now, chart stats are more important to the fans than anything else. Their sales will be fine, they just look a bit worse since they haven't been front loaded.

I could see JLS' new song having a similar chart run as Notorious if it was released this way. If The Club Is Alive's sales are anything to go by (I put this on par with that in terms of its awfulness and expect the same amount of 'success').

Looking forward to The Saturdays' next single, would like to hear a bit more Frankie in that since she didn't really do much in this song.
 
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OLMRemix

Did anyone catch them on Lorraine this morning? Vanessa's voice was not good.

Seanie said:
Its perfectly fair. Its only unfair because The Saturdays are losing in your opinion.

There's nothing stopping them releasing their next single the normal way? The Saturdays, management, and label decided to go this route, and I'm sure the sales will be fine.

You need to get over chart positions. They've been irrelevant for a while now.

And also, every single that JLS have released after a their albums been released has technically been on air on sale, and they'd still managed to get to #1.

The Saturdays also didn't really help their cause by assuming the on air / on holiday method of promotion.
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No I don't think it's un-fair because The Sats are 'loosing' (as biased as I may sound being a Saturdays fan, my opinion on this is nothing to do with The Sats), and I'm not saying chart positions are superior to sales because they're blatantely not. I've been saying the same thing for ages that every artist has done on air/on sale at some point, I'm not denying that either.

I'm not blaming day and date release at all, I'm blaming their label/management/whatever for making a mess of the campaign leaving the main bulk of the promo 4 weeks into it's release.

My point was (and still is) that the chart should either be 100% on air/on sale or the old fashioned way and it flustrates me how some better-off acts like JLS are being excused from this. I favour chart longetivety and overal sales, not positions.
 
SBK

SBK

OLMRemix said:
My point was (and still is) that the chart should either be 100% on air/on sale or the old fashioned way and it flustrates me how some better-off acts like JLS are being excused from this. I favour chart longetivety and overal sales, not positions.
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Why should it be?

You could use the same reasoning for promotion. Every act must get radio play, same TV exposure, same video rotation. Everyone must do the same therefore it'll bee 100% fair.

It doesn't work like that.

Even in the old way you can have people premièring and releasing 2 weeks / a week later is this fair?


The problem isn't the system, its the implimentation. Had they not left 6 weeks between the on sale and the 'focus' date they might not be looking at such a dismal chart position.

Enforcing rules as you suggest on the industry would only kill it for smaller bands and play into the hands of the bigger acts, The Saturdays would still end up as a top 20 band either way.
 
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Gareth18 said:
Chart positions do matter to a lot of artists especially groups like JLS so they get a nice big intro before their x factor performances.
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Seriously? Is this the only reason that chart positions matter?

Anyway, I never got why do we all care that much about chart positions! I mean it's nice when everybody loves and buys a song that you like (obviously I am happy when my favourite artists are #1) but in a world where pitbull and Justin Bieber can get #1s, chart positions do not matter for me THAT much.
Plus, I always prefered for example 5 weeks in the top20 than 1 week in top10 and then disappear.
 
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OLMRemix

Seanie said:
You could use the same reasoning for promotion. Every act must get radio play, same TV exposure, same video rotation. Everyone must do the same therefore it'll bee 100% fair.

Enforcing rules as you suggest on the industry would only kill it for smaller bands and play into the hands of the bigger acts, The Saturdays would still end up as a top 20 band either way.
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I'm not suggesting some comunist-based music business! I understand that promotion plays a massive part in the tracks sales and chart position, but I'm just specifically speaking about the chart. Whether an artists decides to promote or not it is not the fault of on air/on sale. Not every artist promotes, especially international artists and they manage fine in the UK with little/no promotion over here, so what you've just suggested that everything would have to be equal is rubbish. And the fact that the magority of intertaional hits in the UK this year so far that were released on air/on sale have done well so the need for the old way of releasing may as well become archaic.

Surely this would make a more competitive market and actually force artists into making better music - that's why smaller artists like Parade aren't doing so well, and The Saturdays with sub-par material. Their labels need to stop thinking that they can pump £10 into an artist and expect to get £100 out of it.

I know what I'm saying, and I'm sure you know what you're saying - I agree with everything else you've said. Again all I'm saying is that the chart should be 100% day and date release so it reflects the best selling music properly - not music that has been front-loaded with 6wks worth of pre-orders etc. And I couldn't care less if The Sats did peak at #20 with their next single if they did on air/on sale because it would reflect the music that's most popular. Would I be gutted, yeah sure, but at least then their label would finally realise that they need to pull their socks up.
 
SBK

SBK

I don't think the problem is the way they released, its the group themselves. They should have gone on air, on sale and on the promo tour. No on holiday Miss Sandford.

They're not the sort of act that have songs that stay in the top 5/10 for months. They're never going to be, changing the way the charts are run won't benefit them, if anything forcing everyone to go onair on sale will push them further down the pecking order.
 
Scaper

Scaper

They're getting better at plugging themselves on TV. They pull the conversation back to the tour as much as possible. In the past, they've done long TV interviews where they never actually mention anything about what they're there to promote and so it's either forgotten or the interviewer has to bring it up at the end.
 
RadarX

RadarX

Can we start a petition to get Frankie to put in some extensions?
I don't care much about hair but gosh, at a glance she looks like a young boy in that performance.
 
Scaper

Scaper

I must be one of the few who doesn't mind the hair. She'll be able to do the spiky hair from Up in time for single 2 guys!

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AllStar7

AllStar7

Seanie said:
AllStar7 said:
I completely agree with OLMRemix. It's not fair that artists such as The Saturdays and Nicola Roberts have to use the on air/on sale release and other pop acts don't. It's just not right no matter how you look at it.
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Not fair?

Oh please, you're acting as if they've been held at gun point and forced against their will.

Short of making it the law, JLS or whoever can release singles as when and how they like. Stop making out The Saturdays are being hard done by. Their sales probably won't suffer.
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To be fair I was also defending Nicola Roberts as well, since her new single has done far worse than The Saturdays' Notorious. I was in no way trying to make it out as if only The Saturdays are affected by the on air/on sale release. Especially for Nicola's sake, I think it was particularly unfair that her debut single was released in that way considering that many people seem to feel indifferent about her as a solo artist.
 
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Ethereal

Vanessa's vocal deterioration is devastating. I've always loved her tone, and her crazy ad libs and when you listen to performances from a couple of years ago she just blows you away; it's like a different person to now. But even at the very beginning she constantly seemed to be losing her voice and always had to take care of it more than the others, probably due to her doing the most singing back then, and a combination of constant strain and smoking has just completely whacked it out. Una smokes as well, but it seems to add character to her voice!

If she can save it then she needs to do whatever she can to, and fast. Someone find her a man to stop her going out and partying all the time.
 
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