Leanne having more than Minah… rotted
The Traitors UK (BBC1)
- Thread starter Tom Selick
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Disappointed with the outcome especially since Leanne annoyed me the whole time. All of them praising Joe to after when all we got from him was wet blanket.
It was a great season though with that twist! Poor Charlotte though, it absolutely ruined everything.
It was a great season though with that twist! Poor Charlotte though, it absolutely ruined everything.
Assuming that it was in the faithful mindset to go down to two at the firepit how do we think it would have played out if Frankie hadn't chosen Charlotte for the Seer dinner?
If Frankie chose Jake or Leanne I'm pretty sure that Alexander would have gone out at the round table but then what?
However if she chose Alexander I think he would have still gone at the table and Frankie would have been first out at the firepit
Would Jake and Leanne have then voted to get rid of Charlotte?
If Frankie chose Jake or Leanne I'm pretty sure that Alexander would have gone out at the round table but then what?
However if she chose Alexander I think he would have still gone at the table and Frankie would have been first out at the firepit
Would Jake and Leanne have then voted to get rid of Charlotte?
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Honestly, don’t mind Leanne winning - she was constantly bringing the theatrics. Like that she broke the streak of only the most mind numbingly boring faithfuls making it to the fire pit! The other winner… not so much.
I was cackling at her paranoia before Jake revealed he was a faithful.
I was cackling at her paranoia before Jake revealed he was a faithful.
My boyfriend and me discussed this subject and had what felt like 423 different scenarios. I came to the conclusion that the Jake would’ve made the final fire pit, but it’s just who else was with him, either Leanne or Charlotte, as he has good relationships with both. I don’t think they’d have ended the game at a final three.
I think Alexander would’ve gone at the final round table as there was the school of thought that he came in later so could be a traitor. I feel that Frankie being the Seer meant she was probably going to go too.
I’m surprised that Leanne actually made the final, let alone win. Bigger personalities like her usually get banished or murdered way before the end, but she somehow managed to stay. She wasn’t my favourite or pick to win, but kudos to her for her winning.
I love the way in all the dissections of gameplay and tactics, none of us have brought up Charlotte’s other mistake (other than recruiting Freddie over Alexander); murdering Joe instead of Jake, because everyone was too relieved to be rid of Joe ddd.
I’d assume Minah must have pushed for keeping Jake because he seemed to really believe she was a Faithful but Jake was always more of a threat due to the weird power and sway he had for… catching the must unsubtle Traitor the game has seen.
I think the Seer twist probably would’ve rocked Charlotte anyway because Joe was also very close to Frankie, but given that she didn’t know about that twist at the time I’m shocked she didn’t push to keep him in til the end as her useful pawn.
I’d assume Minah must have pushed for keeping Jake because he seemed to really believe she was a Faithful but Jake was always more of a threat due to the weird power and sway he had for… catching the must unsubtle Traitor the game has seen.
I think the Seer twist probably would’ve rocked Charlotte anyway because Joe was also very close to Frankie, but given that she didn’t know about that twist at the time I’m shocked she didn’t push to keep him in til the end as her useful pawn.
Keeping Jake with his “100% faithful” status to the end also gave the other faithfuls someone to cling to. Remove him and I think the last few days would be a lot more chaotic.
Despite the fact that he could’ve been recruited, no one ever seemed to properly consider that to be the case, so he was someone that should’ve been taken out to break all faithful alliances.
Despite the fact that he could’ve been recruited, no one ever seemed to properly consider that to be the case, so he was someone that should’ve been taken out to break all faithful alliances.
You say that, but Joe seemingly had a lot of pull in the group (for some reason) and had zero suspicion throughout the entire game (for some reason), so the likelihood would have been that Joe just took Jake's spot in the endgame.
True but I don’t think he’d have been as loyal to Leanne, whereas it seems Jake and Leanne basically committed to taking each other to the end regardless of the Seer outcome.
Also Joe was weirdly well regarded but he wasn’t as vocal as Jake.
It could well have been the same exact outcome with Joe in Jake’s place but, I still find it surprising. That said, we only really saw as part of Minah’s demise that she and Jake seemed to be quite close so I’d imagine she must’ve pushed for offing Joe.
I don't mind either of the winners winning, but with Frankie doing the heavy lifting of making sure that the faithful actually won in the final episode and fighting for her life, it did feel unrewarding as a viewer to see her banished. But now that it has played out, the fate of the seer was always going to go this way.
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I wonder if the answer to making sure the seer isn’t voted out along with whoever they check is to make it secret like some of the shield winner and they go into the armoury and choose and find out in secret - leaving it up to them to reveal who they are/what they know.
Might lead to some messy dynamics like two people claiming to be the seer etc
Might lead to some messy dynamics like two people claiming to be the seer etc
I would have loved a twist whereby if the Seer somehow chooses a traitor, as Frankie did, they can then be offered recruitment to join the Traitors.
That offers many more outcomes than Charlotte just immediately being outed and having no hope of winning. Frankie could have joined her and murdered people, joined and screwed her over, let them know she was a traitor immediately etc.
That offers many more outcomes than Charlotte just immediately being outed and having no hope of winning. Frankie could have joined her and murdered people, joined and screwed her over, let them know she was a traitor immediately etc.
I think despite the excellent drama of Frankie choosing Charlotte, had she picked Alexander instead I think it would have made for much more interesting group dynamics on the final day. The most-suspected faithful being exonerated would have really thrown the doors wide open on everyone.
That said, as others have noted, Freddie’s vote for Charlotte was a bit game-ruining. I’m in two minds about whether there should be tweaks to avoid that in future, or whether the onus is on the backstabbing traitor to be better at backstabbing.
That said, as others have noted, Freddie’s vote for Charlotte was a bit game-ruining. I’m in two minds about whether there should be tweaks to avoid that in future, or whether the onus is on the backstabbing traitor to be better at backstabbing.
But it wouldn't matter. Anyone who gets the Seer and the other people will forever be banished "just in case". It's a broken mechanic that I don't see coming back.
I don't think production envisioned:
1) A forced shield murder
2) Frankie choosing Charlotte
The game kind of fell apart but it was still entertaining to watch.
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For anyone curious, how The Seer twist has worked in international versions (France, Norway, Hungary). Copied from Reddit.
A faithful took a traitor in, the traitor managed to get that faithful banished, like people are saying Charlotte should do to Frankie
A traitor took another traitor in, but didn’t use the power as they were given the opportunity to put money back in the pot instead of using it
A faithful (A) took a faithful (B) in. But that made B suspicious of A because he didn’t take a more obvious traitor in, and they turned on each other
A faithful took a traitor in, but they didn’t reveal it to the group, saying they would keep it for the round table. But that traitor was a goner anyway
A traitor took another traitor in, but didn’t use the power as they were given the opportunity to put money back in the pot instead of using it
A faithful (A) took a faithful (B) in. But that made B suspicious of A because he didn’t take a more obvious traitor in, and they turned on each other
A faithful took a traitor in, but they didn’t reveal it to the group, saying they would keep it for the round table. But that traitor was a goner anyway
This is why I think Charlotte didn't play quite the blinder people keep saying she did. She only ever seemed to think short-term. Freddie was probably going to have gotten the chop next either way, and if she'd not thrown him under the bus so obviously (murdered someone else), she'd probably have won on her own. If he didn't feel as blatantly betrayed by her as he did I think he might not have come for her at the round table the way he did, meaning Frankie wouldn't have chosen Charlotte as the seer.
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Was Frankie obligated to pick someone? That might be a fairer option for the future, if yes; this way, the Sia doesn’t necessarily have to put themselves under suspicion (though I suppose one of the others could say the Sia called them in and lie about that and/or could turn on them for “giving up a chance to find a traitor”).
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I too am “open” to any and all of Alexander’s “opportunities”!!
Also:
I too am “open” to any and all of Alexander’s “opportunities”!!
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Frankie's fashion choices. A queen!