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This Delicate Rate We've Made: The Darren Hayes / Savage Garden Rate - WINNER announced
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Wikipedia:
"The ten-track album, with a fair amount of experimentation with both lyrics and music..."
Popjustice:
102.
Never Be The Same Again
Album track from ‘We Are Smug’
Average: 6,79
Highest score: 2x10 (@rawkey, @jtm)
Lowest score: 1x4 (@Sprockrooster)
And it’s a wrap for We Are Smug! Having sensationally held out until shortly before the top 100, ‘Never Be The Same Again’ is unfortunately not able to cross the finish line, which means that the whole album has bombed out before we get to the 100 best Darren songs.
I think what’s most surprising is that this is the best rated song of the album by some distance (even @londonrain offers half a compliment below). Even that was not enough for a top 100 placement, but at the very least it managed a full 50 places higher than ‘Tear It Up’.
Full placements of We Are Smug are following in the next post. Let’s end this with the commentary:
@londonrain: ‘Pleasant enough.’ (5)
@rawkey: ‘"You can take a broken arm and smash it through a window pain." - what a line! THE discovery of this rate, how have I slept on this gem for over a decade?’ (10)
@Eric: ‘I guess it's worth persevering with the odder bits of We Are Smug for this’ (7)
@jtm: ‘There's two or three songs on this that are wasted on a 'free album', and this is one of them. Though I'm not sure I'd rate it the same if it was on a regular album. Hm.. No. I think it is a 10 for me regardless.’ (10)
Listen to this rate’s favorite We Are Smug song here:
"The ten-track album, with a fair amount of experimentation with both lyrics and music..."
Popjustice:
102.
Never Be The Same Again
Album track from ‘We Are Smug’
Average: 6,79
Highest score: 2x10 (@rawkey, @jtm)
Lowest score: 1x4 (@Sprockrooster)
And it’s a wrap for We Are Smug! Having sensationally held out until shortly before the top 100, ‘Never Be The Same Again’ is unfortunately not able to cross the finish line, which means that the whole album has bombed out before we get to the 100 best Darren songs.
I think what’s most surprising is that this is the best rated song of the album by some distance (even @londonrain offers half a compliment below). Even that was not enough for a top 100 placement, but at the very least it managed a full 50 places higher than ‘Tear It Up’.
Full placements of We Are Smug are following in the next post. Let’s end this with the commentary:
@londonrain: ‘Pleasant enough.’ (5)
@rawkey: ‘"You can take a broken arm and smash it through a window pain." - what a line! THE discovery of this rate, how have I slept on this gem for over a decade?’ (10)
@Eric: ‘I guess it's worth persevering with the odder bits of We Are Smug for this’ (7)
@jtm: ‘There's two or three songs on this that are wasted on a 'free album', and this is one of them. Though I'm not sure I'd rate it the same if it was on a regular album. Hm.. No. I think it is a 10 for me regardless.’ (10)
Listen to this rate’s favorite We Are Smug song here:
WE ARE SMUG
Total average: 5,44
102. Never Be The Same Again 6,79
113. The Pressure 6,43
132. Hot Tub Blues 5,84
135. Good Dress 5,77
136. Watching Me Watching You 5,73
137. Look What We've Started 5,71
141. Words That I Can't Say 5,57
150. Fire It Up 4,61
151. Shit on the Radio 4,39
152. Tear It Up 3,3
138. Riot 5,64
Total average: 5,44
102. Never Be The Same Again 6,79
113. The Pressure 6,43
132. Hot Tub Blues 5,84
135. Good Dress 5,77
136. Watching Me Watching You 5,73
137. Look What We've Started 5,71
141. Words That I Can't Say 5,57
150. Fire It Up 4,61
151. Shit on the Radio 4,39
152. Tear It Up 3,3
138. Riot 5,64
Okay! I feel like it's official now. That is the worst performance by an album in a rate ever? Poor Darren, but then again... it is his fault it was trash to begin with.
londonrain
Staff member
Never Be The Same Again sounds the most like a regular solo Darren song, but it also sounds like quite a nondescript Darren song, so I’m happy it’s gone.
101.
I Don't Care
B-side from ‘Affirmation’
Average: 6,8
Highest score: 1x9 (@CorgiCorgiCorgi)
Lowest score: 1x3,9 (@rawkey)
The final track to go out before the top 100 is also the first loss from the Affirmation era, which means that every era has now lost at least one song, with the Affirmation, Tension and Secret Codes main albums still remaining complete.
It also means that a total of six optional songs will be in the top 100. I will post a short recap of what we have left after this.
So, ‘I Don’t Care’. It’s the only new song released as a b-side to Affirmation, with the b-side spot on the Affirmation singles usually filled by live versions of album tracks or the Australian only Savage Garden album tracks. ‘I Don’t Care’ was used as a b-side to both the ‘Affirmation and ‘Crash and Burn’ singles. There’s even a remix around if you’re a fan of the track.
Here’s the very short comments this got:
@londonrain: ‘She’s a cute girl.’ (6.5)
@rawkey: ‘A total snoozefest.’ (3.9)
@jtm: ‘This is better than I remembered’ (7.5)
Listen here:
Vocal and Drum mix:
I Don't Care
B-side from ‘Affirmation’
Average: 6,8
Highest score: 1x9 (@CorgiCorgiCorgi)
Lowest score: 1x3,9 (@rawkey)
The final track to go out before the top 100 is also the first loss from the Affirmation era, which means that every era has now lost at least one song, with the Affirmation, Tension and Secret Codes main albums still remaining complete.
It also means that a total of six optional songs will be in the top 100. I will post a short recap of what we have left after this.
So, ‘I Don’t Care’. It’s the only new song released as a b-side to Affirmation, with the b-side spot on the Affirmation singles usually filled by live versions of album tracks or the Australian only Savage Garden album tracks. ‘I Don’t Care’ was used as a b-side to both the ‘Affirmation and ‘Crash and Burn’ singles. There’s even a remix around if you’re a fan of the track.
Here’s the very short comments this got:
@londonrain: ‘She’s a cute girl.’ (6.5)
@rawkey: ‘A total snoozefest.’ (3.9)
@jtm: ‘This is better than I remembered’ (7.5)
Listen here:
Vocal and Drum mix:
Top 100
Below you find the 100 songs still in the rate. If you want the full list including the songs we have eliminated from each album already you can find that here.
SAVAGE GARDEN
To The Moon & Back
Carry On Dancing
Tears of Pearls
I Want You
Truly Madly Deeply
A Thousand Words
Break Me Shake Me
Promises
AFFIRMATION
Affirmation
Hold Me
I Knew I Loved You
The Best Thing
Crash And Burn
Chained To You
The Animal Song
The Lover After Me
Two Beds And A Coffee Machine
You Can Still Be Free
Gunning Down Romance
I Don't Know You Anymore
TRULY MADLY COMPLETELY
So Beautiful
SPIN
Strange Relationship
Insatiable
Heart Attack
I Miss You
Creepin Up On You
Dirty
Crush (1980 Me)
Like It Or Not
What You Like
Spin
Where You Want To Be
Ride
So Bad
THE TENSION & THE SPARK
Darkness
I Like The Way
Light
Pop!Ular
Dublin Sky
Hero
Unlovable
Void
I Forgive You
Feel
Love and Attraction
Sense of Humor
Ego
Touch
Random Blinking Light
THIS DELICATE THING WE’VE MADE
A Fear of Falling Under
Who Would Have Thought
Waking The Monster
How To Build A Time Machine
Casey
Step Into The Light
Sing To Me
A Conversation With God
The Sun Is Always Blinding Me
Listen All You People
The Only One
The Future Holds A Lion's Heart
On the Verge of Something Wonderful
Neverland
Walk Away
Maybe
Lucky Town
I Just Want You To Love Me
Setting Sun
A Hundred Challenging Things A Boy Can Do
Words
The Tuning of Violins
Love Is In Everything
Fallen Angel
Let's Go
SECRET CODES AND BATTLESHIPS
Taken By The Sea
Don't Give Up
Nearly Love
Black Out The Sun
Talk Talk Talk
Bloodstained Heart
God Walking Into The Room
Hurt
Roses
Stupid Mistake
Cruel Cruel World
The Siren's Call
Explode
Perfect
Tiny Little Flashlights
Nothing
Glorious
Wrecking Ball
Angel
Ending Before I Begin
I Need You
RANDOM TRACKS AND DEMOS
Dress U Up
Alive
Big Love
THE SINGLES
She
CUB SPORT FEAT. DARREN HAYES
I Never Cried So Much In My Whole Life
Below you find the 100 songs still in the rate. If you want the full list including the songs we have eliminated from each album already you can find that here.
SAVAGE GARDEN
To The Moon & Back
Carry On Dancing
Tears of Pearls
I Want You
Truly Madly Deeply
A Thousand Words
Break Me Shake Me
Promises
AFFIRMATION
Affirmation
Hold Me
I Knew I Loved You
The Best Thing
Crash And Burn
Chained To You
The Animal Song
The Lover After Me
Two Beds And A Coffee Machine
You Can Still Be Free
Gunning Down Romance
I Don't Know You Anymore
TRULY MADLY COMPLETELY
So Beautiful
SPIN
Strange Relationship
Insatiable
Heart Attack
I Miss You
Creepin Up On You
Dirty
Crush (1980 Me)
Like It Or Not
What You Like
Spin
Where You Want To Be
Ride
So Bad
THE TENSION & THE SPARK
Darkness
I Like The Way
Light
Pop!Ular
Dublin Sky
Hero
Unlovable
Void
I Forgive You
Feel
Love and Attraction
Sense of Humor
Ego
Touch
Random Blinking Light
THIS DELICATE THING WE’VE MADE
A Fear of Falling Under
Who Would Have Thought
Waking The Monster
How To Build A Time Machine
Casey
Step Into The Light
Sing To Me
A Conversation With God
The Sun Is Always Blinding Me
Listen All You People
The Only One
The Future Holds A Lion's Heart
On the Verge of Something Wonderful
Neverland
Walk Away
Maybe
Lucky Town
I Just Want You To Love Me
Setting Sun
A Hundred Challenging Things A Boy Can Do
Words
The Tuning of Violins
Love Is In Everything
Fallen Angel
Let's Go
SECRET CODES AND BATTLESHIPS
Taken By The Sea
Don't Give Up
Nearly Love
Black Out The Sun
Talk Talk Talk
Bloodstained Heart
God Walking Into The Room
Hurt
Roses
Stupid Mistake
Cruel Cruel World
The Siren's Call
Explode
Perfect
Tiny Little Flashlights
Nothing
Glorious
Wrecking Ball
Angel
Ending Before I Begin
I Need You
RANDOM TRACKS AND DEMOS
Dress U Up
Alive
Big Love
THE SINGLES
She
CUB SPORT FEAT. DARREN HAYES
I Never Cried So Much In My Whole Life
HMMM. I already knew the "extra" part of This Delicate Things suffored a lot, but there were a lot of songs there too. It can be in calm water now. What is in a desperate need of a bit of cull is the extra part of Secret Codes to be honest. Has that era even lost anything?!
Yes, one song (The Sweetest Lullaby).
I totally agree! I can't believe the era appears to be that popular.
Anyway, a round of applause for the lovely people of this thread for getting rid of We Are Smug before the top 100!
Universe is rather lovely, I think we should really leave the Savage Garden debut alone for a while now.
The odd thing is that I still don't have the faintest idea what's actually going to win? Most rate have an obvious winner, but I'm not sure if there's one particular song in this one we can all agree on. Going into this I thought To The Moon and Back was probably the closest to being universally loved, but if the first album's performance so far is anything to go by I'm not so sure.
londonrain
Staff member
If Truly Madly Deeply wins this...
He/Him
Unlikely, it’s not even a bop! DddddIf Truly Madly Deeply wins this...
Ballads don’t win rates...
I have a horrible feeling I’m the lowest scorer for To The Moon And Back which will romp home with the win.
The Harold Song begs to differ otherwise. In the bopmania that Kesha brings it is even a bigger feat.
londonrain
Staff member
See also: I Wanna Be With You in the Mandy Moore rate and On The Boundary in the PJOPS Winners’ Rate, both of which had plenty of bops.
He/Him
Thank you all for reassuring me that my 11 might win (it isn’t Truly Madly Deeply but is akin to a ballad) but five examples out of over a hundred rates still tell me it’s unlikely although not impossible :D
londonrain
Staff member
I don’t mind a ballad winning as long as it’s not a Savage Garden ballad single. Savage Garden have some gorgeous ballads but none of the ones that were released as singles deserve to win.