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Timbaland Production Discography Rate - FINAL REVEALS [WINNER + RUNNER-UP]

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by KingBruno, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. Oh there daddy, daddy didn't bring the towel.

    Oh baby, baby we better slow it down.

    Took 45 minutes to get all dressed up.

    We ain't even gonna make it to this club.

    Just missing the top 10 is...



    Beyoncé - Partition
    Score: 8,39516129

    Highest score: 11 x 1 (@Petty Mayonnaise), 10 x 14 (@KingBruno, @kermit_the_frog, @haps, @AshleyKerwin, @ufint, @send photo, @LE0Night, @Jwentz, @slaybellz, @NecessaryVoodoo, @ohnostalgia, @Serg., @Number, @Furball)
    Lowest score: 2 x 1 (@Sprockrooster)
    My score: 10/10

    This one was controversial, damn. I swear, "Partition" got some real bad scores at the beginning of the voting period. At some point I was fearing for it not even making the top 25! Luckily a spam of 10's brought it to a more appropriate position, but I'm still very bothered that it didn't make the top 10.

    What. A. Song. The sexy Carribean groove and eccentric deep beats delivered by a specific drum machine and kick drums forms one unpredictable, mysterious production. Other additions are syntheziser pulses, some small descends here and there and snapping. The track exists on an immense, well-paced sound that producer icon Timbaland obviously had a big impact on.

    Most of the proud Beyoncé stans will know that "Partition" is an ode to limousine sex. "Driver roll up the partition, please" is a line that indicates Beyoncé's will to have privacy while having sex at the backseat of a cab. Another aspect I like from "Partition" is the fact that the song is lyrically pure and straight-forward when it comes to its theme; the whole concept is remarkably bold.

    The song has, just like with two other songs from Beyoncé, two parts: "Yoncé" and "Partition". The most notable contrast between them must be the unbroken and broken production respectively.

    Overall, I think "Partition" is a highlight from the album – which means a lot to me because Beyoncé is one of my favourite albums of all-time. It's my most beloved single by hers, so it leaving at this stadium feels ... incorrect.

    The song was sent to urban contemporary by Columbia Records as the third single from Beyoncé on February 25, 2014. It can be described as electro-R&B. The track contains a French word insertion. As a single, it peaked at number 23 in the US at the Billboard Hot 100.

    Sprockrooster (2) doesn't even want to make it to the club: "7 producers and this still sounds like a racket to me. But that is because of the way Beyoncé is singing (or sanging). Either way, annoyingly. So I know I am faulty here, but let me generous and hand out 2 points for the Yoncé parts which still is amazing. But Partition the song itself is not interesting aside from the French part." A racket, you say? Oh well... Luckily, DJHazey (9) found a way to actually appreciate it: "This is a Beyonce song I've warmed up to alot. I love how it builds and builds with Bey's voice getting more and more passionate as if she was getting 'into the moment' while laying the track down in the soundbooth. That imagery definitely fits what the song is going for and it definitely works for me on many levels."

    Like I expected, not many knew Timbaland worked on this. For example, kermit_the_frog (10): "I genuinely didn't know that this song was a Timbaland production!? I feel like a failure." haps (10) feels the same: "Honestly. Didn't know Timbaland were behind this great bop. Shoot me." Timbaland didn't die in the 00's guys.

    Of course, some people talked about the infamous Monica Lewinsky verb. londonrain (7) sees it as a major flaw: "The first couple of minutes of the album version are a flat zero for me, but that slinky beat is great and the single edit is solid. Shame Beyoncé decided to chuck problematic lyrics like "he Monica Lewinskyed all over my gown" onto it - surely that should be "he Bill Clintoned all over my gown"?" I don't find it that big of a deal because both address the same occurance. Heaven on Earth (8) mentions it as well: "This was definitely an album highlight. I love how the production sounds like glass, vitrified from twigs instead of sand, being shattered to pieces, one by one, ever so slowly. I think that element of the “slow shatter” especially relates to the song’s title and the object in question referred to in the lyrics. Personally, I love how filthy Beyoncé is being here! “He Monica Lewinsky-ed on my gown.” Girl… That is filthier than I thought you would ever be! And it should’ve “He Bill Clinton-ed on my gown,” but I’m gonna let this one slide."

    iheartpoptarts (8) talks about a band I don't know: "I bet I’m the only person who ever listens to this and thinks of French Affair towards the end." Probably? What I do know is that Beyoncé turned ohnostalgia (10) French: "Je suis une stanne."

    Let's close with Serg. (10) who is right: "One of her very best."

    "Yoncé" and "Partition" got two different music videos on December 13, 2003. The directors were Ricky Saiz and Jake Nava respectively. "Partition" got nominated for Best Choreograpby and Best Female Video at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards. Both segments got included seperately on the tracklist of all her tours since The Mrs. Carter World Show Tour. She performed them as part of a medley at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards.

    Last edited: Nov 30, 2017
  2. I'll post the top 10 after I get some sleep love ya X.
  3. Finally! Get SexyBack out at 10 and this is a godly top 9!
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  4. Not @londonrain and I having the same problem with the Monica Lewinsky line in "Partition" and going as far to mention it in our commentaries. I seriously forgot that I commented about that. Not us coming to same conclusions: "He Bill Clinton-ed on my gown." I mean, it's a problematic line. I still like Queen B is being filthy here despite that problematic and odd verb.
  5. londonrain

    londonrain Staff Member

    Good fucking BYE.

    And yes, it is a big deal that she says “Monica Lewinskyed” rather than “Bill Clintoned” because it falls into the trap of picking on the woman in that whole highly problematic episode. I’m old enough to remember when it all happened and the name Lewinsky was basically used as slang for blow jobs and as a general catch-all term to be used for all forms of slut-shaming, so I’m surprised that Beyoncé seems happy to indirectly perpetuate this by reducing a woman’s name to a sex act based on something that happened two decades earlier when the woman in question was a 22-year-old intern working for the most powerful man in the world. It’s not empowering and it’s not cute, and the song doesn’t need it.
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  6. londonrain

    londonrain Staff Member

    I seem to remember Monica Lewinsky herself making that point in a magazine interview around that time.

    It seems like a particularly odd line given that Beyoncé appears to be friends with the Clintons.
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  7. The name Monica Lewinsky is also used as a reference to this day as bending the rules about what constitutes as sex. It's sad and it is slut-shaming. Honestly, that line shouldn't've been in the song at all. It doesn't exactly work both in the context of the song and, especially, for someone who claims to be a feminist.

    I still find that "SexyBack" line to be even cringier, but I know when I've lost a battle so I'm not going to perpetuate this even further.

    As much as I stan Beyoncé's music, to be honest, I find her as a person to be at odds with her image.
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  8. londonrain

    londonrain Staff Member

    Having said all this, the Monica Lewinsky line isn’t the reason I have been willing this to leave.

    I have been willing it to leave because the ten songs remaining are all better than Partition, both as songs and as examples of Timbo’s production.
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  9. Hooray. Now let's hope the Top 10 doesn't go horribly wrong.
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  10. Sis this is a mess and you need to not.
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  11. Or people could just prefer some R&B songs over others, considering 90% of this rate was R&B or Hip Hop songs, one flavor of it or another.
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  12. But both were unrelated?

    That infamous line in "Partition" does undeservedly slut-shame Monica Lewinsky, even if unintentionally. I thought you agreed with this? That was definitely a somewhat un-feminist moment for her.

    And the "at odds with her image" comment was not referring to her feminism. I was referring to how, in this case, Beyoncé supposedly has a friendship with the Clintons and how that line in "Partition" definitely wouldn't've been included if she was truly friends. Also it was a reference to how she's shy in real life but when she's on the stage or in her music videos or in her songs, she's a superhero, the opposite of the "real" Beyoncé.

    Maybe my comment (and this explanation) ended up being an unintentional mess, but you came to your own conclusions, which is in actuality nowhere near what I was going for.
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  13. The explanation definitely clears it up. Me calling it out had nothing to do with the line in Partition. I totally get the problems with it. I just think phrasing it as her "claiming" to get a feminist comes dangerously close to the unfortunate rhetoric around women in the public eye where any mistake a woman makes seems to give everyone license to say she's "not feminist" or whatever. That's all.

    The other came across more like a generalization about her, but that clearly wasn't your intention.

    I try not to come across like one of those "nobody can criticize Beyoncé" stans, but I've dealt with so much criticism on this site with....ulterior motives regarding her that I've gotten used to dealing with the various trolls.
  14. I pretty much agree with the above. In the end, I think what bothers me about this sort of conversation - and I'm not necessarily getting it from you guys right now, because you're reasonable people and I like you lots, but around here in general - is that I feel like holding pop girls and other celeb women to some sky-high standard of feminism where they're almost damned no matter what does nothing much for anyone.

    I also tend to cut Beyonce a bit of slack in this particular context - I mean, here we are with a song that emphasizes how women like sex and the world needs to deal, and we're complaining that a woman's been associated with a sex act in it.
  15. ohnostalgia

    ohnostalgia Staff Member

    There is definitely a trend of saying women who make a bad call or two are suddenly not feminist. I am all for calling these things out, but I don’t particularly enjoy when men think they can decide who’s a feminist and who isn’t. Obviously a huge pattern of sexist behaviour is different than a few mistakes, but in Beyoncé’s case it’s definitely the latter. I wish she hadn’t said the lines and I wish she’d apologized, but she doesn’t suddenly hand in her feminism card forever.
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  16. I hope I didn't come across like this. I used the word "claim" because she has claimed she's a feminist. I didn't mean this, in any way, as "She is not a feminist." I'm pretty sure @londonrain and I knew that this was one mistake and both of us aren't going to revoke her feminist card.

    I can't believe I caused this mess. So far from my intention. Please forgive me.
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  17. ohnostalgia

    ohnostalgia Staff Member

    Claim has some unfortunate implications, as in you don’t believe her. I get that wasn’t your intention though, so no problem. I like that you dragged Justin’s sexist ass instead of just calling out the woman who made a problematic lyric.
  18. The trouble in general is that we look to celebrities as role models and place these expectations and them on a pedestal too much. Beyoncé, at the end of the day, is still a human being and is allowed to have shortcomings and make mistakes as we all are. I don't typically think of her as a feminist but that does not mean she isn't in one way or another as feminism has evolved and means different things to different people (much like gay activism and/or gay role modelling). No one is perfect and to expect Beyoncé to be is silly and somewhat cruel. Should she maybe look more into the lyric of her song to be more in line with her brand? Maybe but at the end of the day, she is human and may not have picked up on the subtext...
  19. londonrain

    londonrain Staff Member

    I object to the line because it punches down at Monica Lewinsky by reducing her whole identity to a sex act - and it doesn’t even even make sense to use her name rather than Bill’s in that context anyway.

    It has nothing to do with whether Beyoncé is a feminist or not (and frankly I disagree with the idea that you have to be either some gold-plated flawless feminist or not a feminist at all). I simply don’t think anyone should have their name used as shorthand for a sexual position or act unless they themselves are embracing it (for example, in the case of a porn star who wants to be known for a particular sexual technique). Monica Lewinsky was simply minding her own business for almost 20 years without wanting or asking for a reputation as a woman whose name is synonymous with ejaculation.

    It was unnecessarily cruel of Beyoncé and I would have called it out even if a friend or co-worker had used that term in conversation with me, but I’m not going to say this is somehow fatal to the whole Beyoncé brand or something.

    This is the whole point she’s making with the Sasha Fierce persona, though. I’m not particularly surprised that she doesn’t go through her everyday life on full Sasha Fierce mode.
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