What Kind Of Fuckery Is This? - UK Politics General Discussion

Yeah, no. Corbyn's policies has revitalised the Labour party, this idea that Labour is just owed votes because it has always been the working class party is just farcical. Just say you want to appease rich centrists and go.

 

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I really do not understand Labour supporters not wanting Corbyn as their leader. He absolutely embodies everything the party stands for.

 

Remember when Thornberry resigned from Miliband’s shadow cabinet for tweeting this?



If she was leader, the press would attack her as a North London elitist who hates the working classes.

 

Notice it always comes attached with this 'He doesn't attract the voters he needs to win!'. It was never about the working class to these people, or there's always an intrinsic feeling that the working class are powerless and cannot make the changes needed to benefit them, or they're not deserving.

 

I just can't with people who wont vote Labour because of Corbyn. Just admit you're a shy Tory when you back Swinson or that you want a celebrity as PM when you put that cross next to BoJo.

His 35 years voting record shows hes been on the right side of history more than he was not, certainly more than his opponents... and I believe innwhat he says, which is more than I can say for the Tories and Fib Dems, who have both proven this week they're going down the fake news route of campaigning.

 

To these people??? Who the fuck is that directed to?

These people that you are so dismissive of are people, who would like to win a fucking election so the socialist policies we believe in can actually get enacted. It's all very well taking the high moral ground but we've now suffered through 10 years of Tory governance because Labour can't get it's bloody act together.

I was brought up on benefits by a single mother on a council estate. I'm about as working class as they come. I've been a member of the Labour party for nearly 30 years. In that time whilst my living standards a have changed a lot my politics haven't. I'm not against Jeremy Corbyn because of is socialist policies or his progressive ideas I'm against him because his very existence as leader makes this thing less likely to happen. When you have life long Labour supporters deserting in droves or totally disillusioned but with nowhere else to go you have a problem. He may gain seats and we get a hung Parliament, there's an outside chance he could even win but with the shambolic government we currently have we shouldn't be in a position of hoping for the best, we should be looking at a landslide Labour victory. In order to actually get shit done you have to take the country with you. You have to engender the good will of the nation, something he categorically does not do.

 

Whilst I do understand what you're saying, it's not Corbyn that is the problem. It's the media portrayal of him. If the media wasn't allowed to be so biased/hadn't been allowed to be bought out by right wing billionaires in the first place we would probably be looking at a landslide as well. Installing someone more centrist might win the election, but then the party ceases to be the champion of the ordinary people, as it did during the Blair years. And this is the only way to get the media onside, as another socialist leader would almost certainly suffer the same fate as Corbyn.

 

The fact he wants to help the poorest in our society seems to horrify certain people. Especially the billionaire press barons, hence the relentlessly unflattering portrayal Jeremy suffers on a daily basis. The billionaires think Jeremy has what it takes to take what they have. Maybe they're right. I veer between Labour, The SNP, and the Green Party. I think Jeremy needs my vote more than ever. All our votes.

 

Incompetence, hypocrisy, 1980s style, 6th form politics ?!!

 

I think you may need to expand little.

 

What has Corbyn done to tackle the fact the Labour Party is positively rife with antisemites? Genuinely asking.

It’s the one reason why I won’t vote for them.

 

I think I'm more offended by the horrendous grammar than anything else.

 

I was on their site a few weeks ago and the sheer amount of articles about Diana was wild. Yes it was very sad, but over 22 years ago.

 

A very outside perspective here, but from familiarity with a white settler colonial context (New Zealand) which is deeply mired in neoliberalism and whose mainstream left has never broken away from Third Way politics in the way that UK Labour has (yas Jacinda Ardern qween, but also blergh). BUT it seems, given the particular media and social dynamics in the UK especially, that literally any Labour leader would be torn to shreds regardless of their political leanings. I think the destruction of someone as benign as Ed Milliband is rather conclusive in that regard.

Because of that, I think you should just choose whoever delivers better policy, because no Labour leader would ever be ~electable~ in the current climate. So between a more palatable, centrist leader with more Tory-lite policies to boot, and a supposedly very unpopular leader with policies that mark a cleaner break from both the overall and centre-left consensus in decades (and are actually, y'know, good), the choice seems... simpler.

 

This is Labour's homepage for their No Place For Antisemitism program that Corbyn launched.

This is an article by Corbyn explaining his thoughts on antisemitism within the party and his plan to tackle it.

This is Labour's code of conduct on racism and antisemitism.

 

*snort*

 

Are you a pig or do you have something you’d like to say?

 

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