What Kind Of Fuckery Is This? - UK Politics General Discussion

Sadly it is true, because people are stupid. Honestly, if we vote for a party based on its leader rather than its policies then we deserve everything we get.

 

Well worth a read in terms of what we were previously talking about in terms of treating the root cause of anti-Corbynism rather than the symptom by simply replacing him.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/o...itain-heres-how-youve-been-brainwashed/12/12/

 

That may be so but it doesn’t change the fact that with a different leader Labour would likely be winning the election with a clear majority.

The problem with Corbyn is that whilst another leader may also attract untrue attacks from the right wing press he makes it easy because much of the stuff that he’s accused of has a basis in truth. They are easy for people to believe in way that they wouldn’t be against Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry, Angela Rayner, Yvette Cooper or a host of other people. It’s not as if we don’t have options.

Even his most ardent supporters have to accept that he’s an electoral liability who has put off huge swathes in voters, including Labour supporters, in exactly the areas they need to win.

 

Basis in truth?

 

Yeah, no. Corbyn's policies has revitalised the Labour party, this idea that Labour is just owed votes because it has always been the working class party is just farcical. Just say you want to appease rich centrists and go.

 

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I really do not understand Labour supporters not wanting Corbyn as their leader. He absolutely embodies everything the party stands for.

 

Remember when Thornberry resigned from Miliband’s shadow cabinet for tweeting this?



If she was leader, the press would attack her as a North London elitist who hates the working classes.

 

Literally any Labour leader who espouses socialist policies will be attacked and smeared by the right-wing press because they have a vested interest in keeping them out of power. It’s not that complicated.

 

Notice it always comes attached with this 'He doesn't attract the voters he needs to win!'. It was never about the working class to these people, or there's always an intrinsic feeling that the working class are powerless and cannot make the changes needed to benefit them, or they're not deserving.

 

I just can't with people who wont vote Labour because of Corbyn. Just admit you're a shy Tory when you back Swinson or that you want a celebrity as PM when you put that cross next to BoJo.

His 35 years voting record shows hes been on the right side of history more than he was not, certainly more than his opponents... and I believe innwhat he says, which is more than I can say for the Tories and Fib Dems, who have both proven this week they're going down the fake news route of campaigning.

 

To these people??? Who the fuck is that directed to?

These people that you are so dismissive of are people, who would like to win a fucking election so the socialist policies we believe in can actually get enacted. It's all very well taking the high moral ground but we've now suffered through 10 years of Tory governance because Labour can't get it's bloody act together.

I was brought up on benefits by a single mother on a council estate. I'm about as working class as they come. I've been a member of the Labour party for nearly 30 years. In that time whilst my living standards a have changed a lot my politics haven't. I'm not against Jeremy Corbyn because of is socialist policies or his progressive ideas I'm against him because his very existence as leader makes this thing less likely to happen. When you have life long Labour supporters deserting in droves or totally disillusioned but with nowhere else to go you have a problem. He may gain seats and we get a hung Parliament, there's an outside chance he could even win but with the shambolic government we currently have we shouldn't be in a position of hoping for the best, we should be looking at a landslide Labour victory. In order to actually get shit done you have to take the country with you. You have to engender the good will of the nation, something he categorically does not do.

 

Whilst I do understand what you're saying, it's not Corbyn that is the problem. It's the media portrayal of him. If the media wasn't allowed to be so biased/hadn't been allowed to be bought out by right wing billionaires in the first place we would probably be looking at a landslide as well. Installing someone more centrist might win the election, but then the party ceases to be the champion of the ordinary people, as it did during the Blair years. And this is the only way to get the media onside, as another socialist leader would almost certainly suffer the same fate as Corbyn.

 

The fact he wants to help the poorest in our society seems to horrify certain people. Especially the billionaire press barons, hence the relentlessly unflattering portrayal Jeremy suffers on a daily basis. The billionaires think Jeremy has what it takes to take what they have. Maybe they're right. I veer between Labour, The SNP, and the Green Party. I think Jeremy needs my vote more than ever. All our votes.

 

Incompetence, hypocrisy, 1980s style, 6th form politics ?!!

 

I think you may need to expand little.

 

What has Corbyn done to tackle the fact the Labour Party is positively rife with antisemites? Genuinely asking.

It’s the one reason why I won’t vote for them.

 

I think I'm more offended by the horrendous grammar than anything else.

 

I was on their site a few weeks ago and the sheer amount of articles about Diana was wild. Yes it was very sad, but over 22 years ago.