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Why didn't you advocate the Palestine question before the terror? Now - although it's still legitimate and - I agree - necessary - it's wrong without acknowledging the terror.
Ma'am, I was following along with your post. My point is this... in response to a well-articulated, impassioned, informed discussion of Palestinians' struggle, you acted like there was something wrong with it because it didn't specifically acknowledge Hamas or armed resistance. I don't understand why your post compels us to backpedal to rationalize Israel's actions as a response to Hamas when the situation is no longer about Hamas. Why do we need to keep bringing them up? Because, like I said, Israel's government has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas because they're so intently committing genocidal war crimes against Palestine. Centering the conversation around Hamas is my problem.
 
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Two Wrongs don't make a right.

It's become too easy for both sides in this conflict to dehumanise the other.

The Israeli hostages need to be released immediately and there needs to be a ceasefire on both sides - for humanity purposes in Gaza. So food, electricity, fuel et al services can functions again within Gaza.
Otherwise many people in Gaza will die and the seeds will be sown for another generation to be turned into violent extremists...and nothing will change.

If both sides keep responding to the conflict in the same way as before but expect a different result - then they will never progress pass this circle of violence...so sad
I agree, you summed up all the crimes of Israel perfectly. To be fair most nations have such or similar crimes in their past - the difference is that we don't expect such crimes today. And that we all rightfully condemn such crimes and call for a just solution. And Israel - except their youth (at least that is my impression) - doesn't seem to be willing to be part of the solution but they make it worse again and again.

I condemn their response to the Hamas progrom of the 7th of october. They have had the chance to stop this spiral of violence which they, too, brought to the world but they decided to stay within this spiral ...

But this



... please rephrase.

I mean do you think the killing of civilians could be justified if they don't have the values you would expect them to have although they didn't commit one single crime? And that you can decide if it's decent or not? And wouldn't this thought not also legitimise the killing of the Palestinians because they support their government as well?

Apart from that thought the killing of civilians is considered as a war crime.

And please they didn't only kill civilians, they murdered them, they slaughtered them and they tortured them: old women, young women and kids. And surely old men, young men and boys, too. Didn't you see the videos of the girls with the blood in the crotch of their pants? Can you even imagine what they had to endure? Did you see the cheering crowd? And don't forget the hostages and what they have to endure.

If we tell this story correctly we can't leave out that Hamas is a terror organisation with the aim to wipe out Israel. The progrom of the 7th October was one part, they have fired thousands of missiles since then and they use the Palestines, their civilians, as shields against the Israelis.

If you argue that terror comes from oppression I won't say anything against but it's no solution. For a solution oppression and terror has to stop.
There are 10,000 political prisoners in Israel from Palestine at this moment. In comparison to the 224 political prisoners from Israel currently trapped in Gaza. Hamas offered a trade of all prisoners for one another - Everyone for Everyone. Bibi rejected it.

You can argue the methods of which Hamas has chosen to go about liberating Palestine from Israeli occupation - mass civilian death - makes them a terrorist organization, but the goal of ending the Israeli occupation via the only solution possible, the end of the Zionist state, does not make one inherently a terrorist. That is Zionist language that frames the desire to end apartheid as an inherently terroristic belief. Literally all of the secular, Marxist military groups from the PFLP to the DFLP are working alongside Hamas, focusing their efforts on taking out military outposts and destroying the US-provided weapons that kill their parents, siblings, children. They're fighting a genocidal evil no differently than those who fought in the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

It is increasingly clear that this conflict will never end until Israeli apartheid ends. Israeli apartheid won't end until the Zionist state itself ceases to exist. Israeli settlers will not stop subjugating Palestinians until forced to live amongst them, in a singular secular state, forced to co-exist as equals where an artificial ethnic majority is not imposed.

100,000+ Palestinians murdered since the occupation started. Over 800,000 more displaced with that number possibly tripling in the next few weeks. A diaspora of over 6M.

Being against Palestine being free from the river to the sea is a moral failure at this point.
 
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he/him/basic cishomo





I would recommend looking up how specifically Israeli Arabs are documenting what's happening. From what I've seen, the supremacist aspect of Israeli society has never been greater than it currently it is in this moment. Any mirage that Israel was not an apartheid state because it had Arab citizens has been shattered in the ultra-conservative realities of Israel.

I shouldn't be shocked by anything anymore, but I am by this. I am so sickened by how Zionism is culminating in this exact moment where a majority of the populace is actively cheering on genocide of people who that land absolutely belongs to. It's bizarre watching American news coverage, or even something like the Today show, I'm sure has the same sentiment: pro-Zionist spin in between Christmas commercials. Dystopia.

That "Israel can do whatever it wants: no red lines" tweet is etched into my brain, too. Do we (the US) ever give carte blanche to any other ally that we send billions of dollars to? It's insane, and I'm sufficiently blackpilled now on the whole thing. I'll vote for good candidates when they emerge -- they'll never win because Idaho -- but I will be leaving my presidential ballot blank. I have lost sleep realizing I fucking voted for Biden. It's been nice to at least join the chorus of Biden haters in my area at least?

I got a "thank you for your feedback" one-liner from Rep. Mike Simpson when I sent him a fiery rebuke. Mike Drunko (Crapo) hasn't even responded yet. Mess.
 
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Straight to hell. A refugee camp? One of those places that perhaps they told Gazans to flee to, even? How fucking sick in the head can you be?

And those yellow stars??? Can you be more inconsiderate of your ancestors? You are NOT the victims here! God!

So Israel had 1200 people killed and the Palestinian death toll is probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands now isn't it?
 
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They dropped six one-tonne bombs on that refugee camp. And they claim the sole target was one "Hamas commander"! This is genocide.
Yeah the target is very obviously every single Palestinian and I have no doubt the assholes in Mossad and the Israeli """Defense""" (I fucking hate that word, the people who use it are rarely defending anything!!) are overjoyed by this "success." And most Israeli civilians too, apparently!

Like, thank God this technology didn't exist during our lil Manifest Destiny moment Stateside. There would be no indigenous people left. Not that what we actually did was much better, of course.
 

This makes me think of the famous Malcolm X Quote:

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”


I find it very telling that Labour/Conservative MPs are being expelled for calling a "ceasefire" and "peace"
and you have the UK Home Secretary calling the protests at the weekend "Hate Marches"....isn't collective punishment a war crime?
 
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All that for one commander? You mean to tell me they bombed a refugee camp populated by INNOCENT women, INNOCENT children and INNOCENT displaced families all for ONE commander? Fuck off. This is a goddamn genocide.
I see no reason to presume the "high-ranking commander" thing is real based on their track record, not that it would add one iota of justification. Maybe it was a high-ranking postal clerk or dog catcher? That would be enough excuse for them.

All the "concerned" folks who went into overdrive dismissing the possibility of Israel's role in that hospital attack ("we're not like the other side!") look pretty fucking stupid now, don't they?
 
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