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Kirkland said:
Tommie said:
Kirkland said:
Cheryl could be a judge. Simon really adores her so he'll try to make it happen.

Cheryl is dull and talentless though.

She's not dull at all in my view. She's full of personality. And she's a great popstar even if the songs she sings on her solo album are mainly shit. Well, nearly entirely, but that's not the point. She's stunning, Simon loves her and Girls Aloud are the greatest girl group in the world. This could give them the platform to at least get their amazing pop music across to a country that wouldn't 'get them' any other way.

I don't want them duetting with Sean Kinston!

Girls Aloud have just about as much chance as Sugababes to "break the US."
 
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I don't think Americans would take a shine to Cheryl. Her accent isn't the type Americans like, its rather rough actually. But god I hope X Factor doesn't come here. We have AI. Same crap. With luck the end of this decade will also mean the death of these contest shows.
 
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Didnt the network that airs Idol buy the rights to Xfactor years ago and has been sitting on it because there is simply no need for it??
 
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If Cheryl ends up a judge on X Factor US do you really think she'd use that exposure to promote Girls Aloud? Her solo material is better suited to the US market (dreadful though it may be) and apart from that she'd be daft to take the band over there when she could have a solo career. I think it'd be curtains for the group.
 
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TongueNCheek said:
I don't think Americans would take a shine to Cheryl. Her accent isn't the type Americans like, its rather rough actually. But god I hope X Factor doesn't come here. We have AI. Same crap. With luck the end of this decade will also mean the death of these contest shows.

When I went to the US, everyone was telling me they loved it.
 
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Seriously how anyone can say that X Factor is better than American Idol - AI actually allows their contestants the chance to be creative and individual. They don't all sing songs that we've already heard from hundreds of previous contestants all the time, they make much more original song choices from the similarly dull theme weeks and the show is on most occasions all about the contestants and the talent on show and not the "judges". Also, and most importantly (for me anyhow) is that Idol has a live band every week. So I really don't see how Mr Telephone Man can say X Factor is where the "true performers can shine" when they don't even get the chance, bar Big Band week, to actually perform with live music, have a hand in creating new arrangements and actually just simply lift their performance to another level just because live music sounds better than the often cheesy studio backings.

Now this isn't to say that Idol has probably reached the point where they need to finish/take a break but I would, personally, much rather watch contestants on Idol than X Factor any day of the week. They might not have the choreography, stand on lit up perspex cubes or fly down from the ceiling but they have still managed to create tens of great performances each series - something which X Factor's style-over-substance hasn't done.
 
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TongueNCheek said:
I don't think Americans would take a shine to Cheryl. Her accent isn't the type Americans like, its rather rough actually. But god I hope X Factor doesn't come here. We have AI. Same crap. With luck the end of this decade will also mean the death of these contest shows.
Why? They've discovered some fantastic talent (and two of the three current best singers in the world, in my honest opinion).
 
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mystical said:
Didnt the network that airs Idol buy the rights to Xfactor years ago and has been sitting on it because there is simply no need for it??

I think there was a settlement back in the day between Cowell and some other parties that, for the duration of his (expires in 2010) contract, X Factor couldn't air in the US. But after that, X Factor could come to the States. I think that's how it works anyway.

Also, Susan Boyle got subtitled when she was on Oprah - not that she and Cheryl are of equal 'troubling' accent, but just saying.
 
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M27 said:
Seriously how anyone can say that X Factor is better than American Idol - AI actually allows their contestants the chance to be creative and individual. They don't all sing songs that we've already heard from hundreds of previous contestants all the time, they make much more original song choices from the similarly dull theme weeks and the show is on most occasions all about the contestants and the talent on show and not the "judges". Also, and most importantly (for me anyhow) is that Idol has a live band every week. So I really don't see how Mr Telephone Man can say X Factor is where the "true performers can shine" when they don't even get the chance, bar Big Band week, to actually perform with live music, have a hand in creating new arrangements and actually just simply lift their performance to another level just because live music sounds better than the often cheesy studio backings.

Now this isn't to say that Idol has probably reached the point where they need to finish/take a break but I would, personally, much rather watch contestants on Idol than X Factor any day of the week. They might not have the choreography, stand on lit up perspex cubes or fly down from the ceiling but they have still managed to create tens of great performances each series - something which X Factor's style-over-substance hasn't done.

Amazing post. And I agree. They would have never allowed an Idol winner to cover 'The Climb'. (Not saying 'No Boundaries' is any better, but at least it was ORIGINAL!)
 
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Add my agreement to M27's post!
 
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A huge part of the American Idol audience is made up of hicks and red-neck types-- that's in part why country singers are so over-represented amongst the winners. I think these viewers are pretty big on the America in the title. If FOX cancelled American Idol only to replace it with a nearly identical show that didn't have America in the name, I wouldn't be surprised by a big backlash.
 

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3Xs said:
Gahh! Charley!

Super moderator to the rescue!! Bahahaha!

Seriously, when did people get this idea of me? It's a thread about a tv show, there's a tv subforum and I should feel bad for moving it there?
 
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Charley! said:
3Xs said:
Gahh! Charley!

Super moderator to the rescue!! Bahahaha!

Seriously, when did people get this idea of me? It's a thread about a tv show, there's a tv subforum and I should feel bad for moving it there?

No I was only joking!!! It actually should be in this subforum! Keep doing your job Charley!
 

Charley

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Re: American Idol / X Factor US

3Xs said:
Charley! said:
3Xs said:
Gahh! Charley!

Super moderator to the rescue!! Bahahaha!

Seriously, when did people get this idea of me? It's a thread about a tv show, there's a tv subforum and I should feel bad for moving it there?

No I was only joking!!! It actually should be in this subforum! Keep doing your job Charley!

Oh, ok, sorry. Maybe I'm just being a bit paranoid.
 
Re: American Idol / X Factor US

American Idol has also, over the past few seasons, allowed its contestants to play their own instruments, so that has been an interesting addition.

I don't know. I'm a big proponent of trying the X Factor here, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the allure of the X Factor being 'British' to my American self (like 'WOW! A show with Cheryl Cole AND Dannii Minogue as judges!'), and depending on how they brought it over here, it would probably be a disaster (I can list any number of American adaptations of 'foreign' [to the US] TV shows that have flopped big time). But I just think the whole format is interesting. I don't know how much 'mentorship' the American Idol contestants really get from the celebrity guests, and they've all basically said after the show that Paula Abdul was the only one who paid them any mind, so it's not like they were getting it from the judges. Although, I'm sure the amount of 'mentorship' that Louis/Cheryl/Dannii/Simon provide is also up for debate.

Maybe if they had four famous acts serving as the mentors, and then had a judging panel that was outside of that process? I dunno. And as much as I love Cheryl Cole, and maybe she'd make for great TV in the US and they'd fall in love with her, Joe Q. Public could probably give a hoot about her being in a famous British girl group that has never released anything in the States.

Edited to add: Nobody knew who Simon Cowell was either when American Idol started, of course, but he had a 'bit' -- he said snarky things and we weren't really used to that level of snark/honesty from a TV show. And personally, I don't really know what Cheryl's 'bit' is besides 'singer in Girls Aloud and former competitor in similar type of TV show,' which personally I think is great, but I think that's the part that would be missing for her for the rest of the viewership.
 
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poopjustice said:
I think these viewers are pretty big on the America in the title. If FOX cancelled American Idol only to replace it with a nearly identical show that didn't have America in the name, I wouldn't be surprised by a big backlash.

Well that's easily fixed. Just call it X Factor America!

I think the main problem with X Factor (certainly this season anyway) is the fact that the judges are also mentors. Remove that and things would become much less biased and a lot fairer. I'm sick of all the faux-rivalry and obviously engineered arguments. Get back to basics, I say!
 
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Fox have spent a lot of money retaining the 'option' on X Factor since it's UK debut. An option deal means another channel in the US can't commission the show - but due to Simon's non-competition American Idol contract (which means he can't feature in ANY other show long term in the US) Fox hasn't commissioned it either.

Simon won't re-sign his American Idol contract and Fox won't want to make that show without him. They will pick up X Factor and drop Idol. It's pretty much a given. Freemantle, who already make Idol (and who own the UK producers TalkbackThames) will make the show in the US. The only people losing out are 19.

I think they'll probably move Ryan Secrest over to X Factor, and I think the reason Paula Abdul has yet to join the panel on So You Think You Can Dance is because Simon has told her she has a new job when X Factor US starts.
 
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I don't know (or care) if Cheryl's accent would be a problem, but I really think putting her on the a US version of the X Factor would be a huge mistake on Simon's behalf.

They may have got away with putting Piers Morgan on America's Got Talent, but I'm not really sure what she would add for an American audience. I do like her but the blind adoration and overpraise of things she does still to this day baffles me; she's obviously captured a good chunk of the nation's affection here but there would clearly be better choices for an American judging/mentoring panel than Cheryl.
 

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